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09-04-2017, 07:27 PM
RE: Is God Omnipotent
“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?” (Epicurus) Consider
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09-04-2017, 08:58 PM
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(09-04-2017 07:27 PM)Gwaithmir Wrote:  “Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?” (Epicurus) Consider

Pretty sure "god" is impotent..... I know they are spelled similar but they have separate meanings.

But maybe SV wants to kill a bunch of cows throw them on a fire and prove his story book to everyone by calling down a "pillar of fire" lol

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09-04-2017, 09:03 PM
RE: Is God Omnipotent
(09-04-2017 04:31 PM)onlinebiker Wrote:  
(09-04-2017 11:52 AM)socialistview Wrote:  As a christian i study the bible and believe he is. Any replies?

I think the word you mean is " impotent".

So, yes.

He's a pansy cunt, that needs his followers to "do his work".

Lazy ass, limp dicked slacker....



Anything else you need answered??

Damn you beat me to it...

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09-04-2017, 09:13 PM
RE: Is God Omnipotent
(09-04-2017 07:18 PM)Shirina Wrote:  Genesis 11:5-7

5 But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower the people were building. 6 The Lord said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.”

1) Why would God need to "come down" to see the city? It's stupid in the extreme to suggest that an omnipotent (and by default, omniscient) being couldn't see the city just fine from wherever the hell he was no matter where that might be. He should have been able to sit on a lawn chair on a beach on the other side of the space-time continuum and still see the city as if he were actually standing there.

Instead, he has to physically go there in order to see what was going on which heavily implies that his knowledge and perpective of humanity is as limited as ours -- effectively, line-of-sight. This means he has no ability to judge us for our sins because, unless he's following YOU all the time, God can't possibly know what you're getting up to while he's monitoring someone else.

2) If God is truly omnipotent, why is he so worried about the potential of humanity? Our single language gives us unlimited potential? Didn't the stupid sod create us that way in the first place -- and didn't his supposed omniscience allow him to see this outcome? Or is God following someone else's script? Perhaps his actions are preordained so he must allow things to happen even though, if he could, he would change those events. Which, of course, would make him non-omnipotent.

What truly boggles me, as well, is that we're talking about a Bronze Age society here. I mean, we're talking about extremely primitive stuff going on and yet this Almighty God feels threatened by ... Bronze Age technology, Bronze Age knowledge, and Bronze Age architecture. Seriously, wow -- these guys want to build a tower made out of brick and tar and God goes apeshit because humanity is getting too powerful. Now we build towers that rise a quarter-mile into the air, towers made of glass, steel, and composite materials those ancients would have perceived as being impossible. Funny how God doesn't seem to give a shit now. Only then.

3) And why the fuck ... okay, this is just one of those stupid, facepalming moments that Christians really need to think about here. Can't you see that you're worshiping an incompetent God? I mean flagrantly incompetent?

Because Christianity is one of those hateful religions that claims to have a mandate to conquer the world -- if not with the sword than with proselytizing and missionaries. How in the name of fuck did God expect that to happen once he confused everyone's languages? Oh, that was just brilliant, Yahweh, just brilliant. Way to shoot yourself in the foot with that blunder.

Now that no one can understand each other, it means Christianity can't spread. It means the Bible has to be translated from this language to that language and again to that language -- and look where that's gotten us. It means people of similar languages will band together essentially creating tribalism, organized warfare, and, here's the biggy, other religions. By the time Christianity ever got to those parts of the world, those other religions were so entrenched that conquering the world was now an impossibility. Not even warfare could do the job -- especially if some pagan tribe had advanced into the Iron Age what, with all those iron chariots and all.

Stupid. Stupid. Stupid.

And that's the God Christians revere.

""If my God exists, then the laws in the Bible should apply to everyone. I am certain my God exists, so ..." -- words of a theocratic fascist justifying theocratic fascism.""

I know people who say this, they are called almost all of my neighbors and community. The shit they say after that quote is even scarier (death penalty for tattoo's, legally being allowed to murder your children if they don't obey you at all times, kill they gays, return of slavery ect. Not joking I've heard them say these things because the bible tells them so)

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09-04-2017, 09:36 PM
RE: Is God Omnipotent
(09-04-2017 11:52 AM)socialistview Wrote:  As a christian i study the bible and believe he is. Any replies?

What god? Consider

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09-04-2017, 09:46 PM
RE: Is God Omnipotent
(09-04-2017 09:36 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(09-04-2017 11:52 AM)socialistview Wrote:  As a christian i study the bible and believe he is. Any replies?

What god? Consider

I'm pretty sure we're talking about Odin. I mean he is one of the most badass gods you can pick from right?

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10-04-2017, 01:16 AM
RE: Is God Omnipotent
Yahweh needs armies of people to go about preaching and bothering people. He needs parents to indoctrinate their kids.

If people pushing the religion all stopped, he would stop too. On some level they must know this, as the last thing they'll ever do is stop.

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10-04-2017, 03:39 AM
RE: Is God Omnipotent
(09-04-2017 07:27 PM)Gwaithmir Wrote:  “Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?” (Epicurus) Consider
I was given to understand that none of the omni's are mentioned in the bible and are actually a later concept, but don't quote me on this I could be wrong.
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10-04-2017, 04:09 AM
RE: Is God Omnipotent
(09-04-2017 09:46 PM)JesseB Wrote:  
(09-04-2017 09:36 PM)Chas Wrote:  What god? Consider

I'm pretty sure we're talking about Odin. I mean he is one of the most badass gods you can pick from right?

No god who loses an eye and can't just grow another one isn't omnipotent. (Jesus had the same limitation - rose from the dead but failed to cure his wounds.)

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10-04-2017, 05:17 AM
RE: Is God Omnipotent
(10-04-2017 03:39 AM)adey67 Wrote:  
(09-04-2017 07:27 PM)Gwaithmir Wrote:  “Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?” (Epicurus) Consider
I was given to understand that none of the omni's are mentioned in the bible and are actually a later concept, but don't quote me on this I could be wrong.

The OT phrase is el shaddai, God almighty, and in the NT the word pantokrater, which in Greek means omnipotent.

http://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/...rator.html

Shaddai is obscure and its meaning controversial.

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