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26-07-2014, 05:48 AM
Is Islam a cult? Muslims don't read the Koran!
I have had conversations with a few Muslims I know and none of them has read the Koran! All educated people too. It made me realize that Islam is just a cult in the worst way because it's followers are indoctrinated and don't make their own minds up based on what they understand the religion to be. If that is the case, then what is it they believe in? What they are told? And, if they try to leave the religion they can be executed... It's a cult! If I were to set up a pagan church which had a book but I didn't let anyone read it and said that my pagan god directed followers that they should kill non believers and engage in sacrifice and would be killed if they left, would my religion be accorded equal status with other religions in this "oh so touchy" era of deference to religions? Would my religion be protected under the US Bill of Rights? Or under the EU Charter of Human Rights???

I googled the topic and got this article http://bibleanswerstodayblog.com/muslims...he-koran/:

Muslims And The Koran

The Koran is the Holy Book of Muslims. Actually, it is only 1 of 4 Holy Books of Islam. The Koran lists the other three as “the Torah,” our Old Testament, “the Psalms” and the “the Gospels,” our New Testament. You will find that Muslims usually only accept the Koran as their Holy Book because they do not know what the Koran actually says.
Very Few Muslims Can Read The Original Koran

One fifth of the world’s population is Muslim today and they have absolutely no assurance of salvation. Less than 20% of these Muslims are Arabs, who can speak Arabic. Yet, less than 20% of those who speak Arabic can actually read the Koran. And since the Koran was written in classical Arabic, even fewer can understand what it says because classical Arabic is different than modern Arabic.
The Difficulty Of Translations

You can begin to understand this difference if you try to read our English Bible in an original King James manuscript. I do not mean a modern King James Bible. I mean one that is written with the original English script in which it was written.

If you want to know what I mean go to greatsite.com. Then go down to the bottom of the advertisement of the 1611 King James Bible and click on one of the images where it says to “Click on to Enlarge.” It will take a lot of effort on your part to read and understand what is written, even though it is written in English. It is just old English.

Even if you just change the way that the letters were printed in 1611 to modern day script, you will find that it is not very easy to read. Go to The Official King James Bible Online and click on any of the books of the Bible and you will see what I mean. It still is not very easy to read. Old English is quite different than our modern English. The same is true with classical Arabic and modern Arabic.
The Koran Cannot Lawfully Be Translated

The truth is that less than 2% of Muslims are able to read the Koran (some say only .5%). Since this is true, how do Muslims know what is in the Koran? Since it is not lawful for the Koran to be translated into any other language, only commentaries on the Koran can lawfully be written. And guess what? Most of these commentaries are written by Imams and most of them have been taught by radical Muslims.

Just as a side note. The Koran has already been translated into, not only English, but also many other languages. Go to quran.com and you will find not only the Arabic, but also 6 English Translations and 33 other modern languages.

Another place where the Koran has been translated is by the Center for Muslim-Jewish Engagement and there you will find 3 different translations of the Koran into English. The Quranexplorer.com also has 4 different translations of the Koran into English.
Various Interpretations Of The Koran

Yes, there have been many different translations of the Koran into English. When you read them, you realize that they are even more varied than the English translations of our own Bible. In studying these translations, I can understand how the Radical Muslims can find the meanings in the Koran that they want to find. These different English translations of the Koran are even more varied than we find in various English translations of the Bible.

For instance, Iran has proclaimed that the Koran says that they must inherit Palestine, not the Jews. As I read the various translations, most of them do not indicate this. However, I found one translation that might be interpreted to say this. Radical Muslims do interpret the Koran as they want to, in the way that fits their agenda of taking over the world.

However, if these radical Muslims would just read and accept everything that is in their Koran about how they are to treat Jews and Christians, they could not interpret it to say that they are to destroy all Jews (and Christians). Radical Muslims (Jihadists) have their own agenda and interpret the Koran according to that agenda.
Most Muslims Do Not Read These Translations

I suspect that Muslims do not go to these sites where there are translations of the Koran into their own language because they know that, according to their law, it is forbidden to translate the Koran into another language. Thus, it would be forbidden to read it in English.

However, Muslims are no different than the rest of us. They are curious people. If their curiosity becomes stronger than their allegiance to their religious rules, they just might begin to read these translations. Thus, it does not hurt, and just might help, to tell your Muslim friends about these translations that are on the Internet.

Just realize that most Muslims have no idea what is taught in their Koran. They only know what their Imams teach them. Is it any wonder that the average Muslim does not speak out against the radical Muslims? They do not know any better.
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26-07-2014, 05:54 AM
RE: Is Islam a cult? Muslims don't read the Koran!
Here is someone else who has observed the same thing: http://www.rationalskepticism.org/islam/...21940.html


How many Muslims have read the Koran?

#1 Postby Amergin » May 04, 2011 10:49 am
I have in my professional life and personal life, also, had many contacts with your work-a-day, run-of-the-mill muslims and I have asked them if they had read the Koran in a language they understood ie Urdu? or English? Very very few had done so but they had been to madrassas and learned it in Arabic, a language they were happy to tell you they did not understand. When asked how they knew what was in the Koran they would explain that the local Imam told them each Friday or they were taught by others at home or in evening classes.
Can you see the import of this? How open to abuse , misrepresentation, twisiting of text, straight lies is this method.
Every Muslim home boasts a copy of the Koran but it probably just gathering dust."

This is my experience as well. I think it is preposterous that westerners are being sucked into "respecting" the rights of these people who are just the victims of a cult movement.

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26-07-2014, 06:01 AM
RE: Is Islam a cult? Muslims don't read the Koran!
Why pick on Muslims ? How many Christians or Jews have read the OT or the NT ?
What does "and don't make their own minds up based on what they understand the religion to be" even mean ? Who actually makes up their mind for them if they don't ? One can make up one's mind without reading the books. It may not be very well informed, but they still make up their own minds.

More crap from deltabravo.

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26-07-2014, 06:10 AM
RE: Is Islam a cult? Muslims don't read the Koran!
(26-07-2014 06:01 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Why pick on Muslims ? How many Christians or Jews have read the OT or the NT ?
What does "and don't make their own minds up based on what they understand the religion to be" even mean ? Who actually makes up their mind for them if they don't ? One can make up one's mind without reading the books. It may not be very well informed, but they still make up their own minds.

More crap from deltabravo.

Wow!

There is a vast difference between these religions. Have you heard of the "Reformation"? Is there a history of Islamic sholars being burnt at the stake for translating the Koran into their native tongue?

In a cult, followers are told what to believe by the leader, just as in Islam.

Have you, Bucky, read the Koran? What do you think of it? What are you anyway, an apologist for Islam? I thought this was an atheist forum but you seem to want to support Islam.

Here is something which yoiu will also probably call "crap" about the rise of Islam http://www.dankalia.com/islam/isl409.pdf

This suggests that Islam arose out of an environmental crisis in the Near East and the collapse of the feudal system in the area in the sixth century.
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26-07-2014, 06:12 AM
RE: Is Islam a cult? Muslims don't read the Koran!
Here is why Islam is a cult:

Islam is known as the second largest religion. The very fact that 1.2 billion people call themselves Muslims vests Islam with the mantel of legitimacy and confirms the claim that it is a religion. But is it?

Can 1.2 billion people be wrong? Well, in logic we have something called "argumentum ad numerum". It states that something is true if a lot of people believe in it. But argumentum ad numerum is a logical fallacy. Truth cannot be established by the consensus of the majority. In fact many arguments have been proven to be false, even though everyone in the world once accepted them as true. For example, not until a few centuries ago everyone believed that the Earth is flat and is at the centre of the universe. Despite that common belief both geocentricity and the idea of the flat Earth were false. A false belief does not become true even if everyone thinks they are true.

Therefore, not only 1.2 billion people, but the entire mankind can be wrong. As Bertrand Russell said: “The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd; indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible.” (Source)

After shattering the myth of argumentum ad numerum, let us put Islam under scrutiny and see whether it is a religion or a cult.

The following is a description of what cult is:

A cult is a religious group with extreme beliefs and practices - beliefs that are often contrary to science and logic but they are believed as "obvious" truth by the cult members.
The members of cults often isolate themselves from friends, family and society and use deceptive and unethical recruiting techniques
Use manipulative methods to control the minds of followers
Venerate a human leader or leaders
Recruiting work is performed by all of the members
People are not allowed to criticize the leader, the doctrine, or the organization, or read information that is critical of the cult.
Members are trained to reject and disbelieve criticism of the cult as lies from Satan.
Members spy on one another and report improper activities or comments to leaders.
Members are taught to suppress anything which might reflect negatively to outsiders about the cult.
The doctrine is absolutist and the ideology is internalized as "the Truth."
Members are told to avoid contact with ex-members or critics, even their relatives.
Members are instilled with a deep fear about ever leaving the organization, and anyone who does depart is of the devil and sometimes severely punished.
Members are emotional controlled and warned of being caught and punished.
Disciplinary action is administered by group leaders, which may involve excommunication for such things as questioning organization policy or doctrine.
People are encouraged to sacrifice education, career and family interests to server the interests of the cult.
Advocate socializing only with other members in the organization and avoiding outsiders.
The belief in apocalypse and Dooms Day.

[Source]

All these traits are present in Islam.

Islam claims to be a religion with strong devotion to Muhammad and a set of unsubstantiated doctrines presented by him. Monotheism is used as a pretext to exert absolute control over the believers, leaving them no chance to question or investigate alternative paths.
Muhammad forced his followers to leave their families (8:72) and gathered them in Yathrib. He said: “And those who believed but did not leave their homes, ye have no duty to protect them till they leave their homes”. He warned those who did not follow him, leaving behind their families, will be cursed by Allah and “their habitation will be hell”(4:97). Muhammad went as far as to order his followers to murder those Muslims who defected his barricade.(4:89) In Yathrib he banished and killed the Jews who did not believe in him, thus eliminating the chance of his followers coming in contact with outsiders and being influenced by anyone. In this way he exerted absolute control over the lives and the minds of his followers. Jim Jones did the same. He called his town "Jonestown". Muhammad changed the name of Yathirb to Madinatul Nabi (Prophet’s Town)
He used manipulative methods to control the minds of his followers. These methods ranged from threat of hellfire, and promises of paradise, to exhaustive rituals of prayers and fasts, devised to numb the thought, and threat of physical punishment including execution and constant warfare, keeping his followers in perpetual state of agitation.
He established himself as the sole authority among his followers and the only source of guidance to the extent that they looked up to him for every detail of their lives, including how to dress, how to shave, how to pray and even how to urinate and how to clean after bowl movement. Ostensibly the worship was to God but effectively he was the only object of veneration of his followers and the only authority. Nominally God was to be obeyed but he was God's proxy, thus assuming the authority of God.
All believers were asked to promote his cause through Jihad, propaganda or by giving generously from their wealth. 4:95, 9:20, 49:15, 61:11
The criticism of Muhammad and Islam was totally prohibited and if anyone dared to question him or his decisions, Omar swiftly unshielded his sword and threatened to slash the throat of the intrepid questioner forcing him to apologize. The message was sent in a very clear tone that no one must question Muhammad and his authority. 1400 years later, the message remains the same. If you question Islam you will be killed.
Muslims are told to dismiss any criticism of Islam as coming from Satan and they often avoid reading critical views about their Faith. I have received testimonies of apostates who confessed that at first when they came across this site they stopped reading it and dismissed it as the work of Satan. See this I myself never read any book critical of Islam and once frowned at a friend who expressed her curiosity about Salman Rushdie's Satanic Verses.
Muslims are encouraged to spy on each other and report any sign of dissent. Amr bil Maroof wa Nahi anil Munkir (Commanding to follow the religion and preventing from doing what is prohibited) is a tenet of Islam. Every Muslim is required to poke his nose in the private lives of others, spy on them and tell them what they should do and what they should not do. Every Muslim is an enforcer of religion and the moral police for others.
Muslims suppress anything that might present Islam in negative light. Preserving the image of Islam is of utmost importance and Muslims lie with clarity of conscience to misrepresent their religion and make it look good. For example women in Islam are treated like animals and are considered as deficient in intelligence. Every Muslim knows that including the women, who blame the men for it but not the Islam. But they lie through their teeth bragging about the "elevated" status of women in Islam. Jihad means aggressive war to expand Islam. Every Muslim knows that. Yet all of them lie and say Jihad means "self defense". A couple of years ago I received a very angry email from a Muslim who cursed me for revealing the fact that Muhammad had slept with a 9-year old child and at the end he said “the damage is already done” and I will be certainly punished for what I had done. The fact that Muhammad slept with a child did not bother this Muslim but what bothered him was revealing this fact.
Islam is extremely absolutist and Muslims believe that it is the only true religion. This “truth” however is not self evident. It is "true" because Muhammad said so.
Muslims are told to shun the apostates and the critics of Islam. New converts are often circled and are isolated from their non-Muslim family and friends. They are showered with love and receive a lot of emotional support until the brainwashing is complete.
Muslims are instilled with the fear of leaving Islam. This fear comes in two forms. One is the fear of Hell and of eternal punishment and the other is the fear of being caught and put to death by fellow Muslims, including their best friends and family.
Those who leave Islam must live in constant threat of being discovered and killed. In Muslims’ Comments section of this site you can see that Muslims often talk about this fear and say they pity me for having to look over my shoulders all the time and live in fear of being assassinated. The values are so distorted that they do not pity themselves for being the assassins but pity me for having to live in their fear.
In Islam disciplinary action includes beating, maiming, stoning, beheading or jail. Excommunication is for minor offenses. The poet Ka’b and two others were excommunicated for fifty days and during that time no one spoke to them. Ka’b’s wife was told to leave him and wherever he went people ignored him as if he was invisible. All this, because he did not accompany Muhammad in the war of Tabutk.
Muslims are told to sacrifice their comfort, their wealth and including their lives to promote Islam. Young men are encouraged to leave their studies and work, wage Jihad, and commit suicide bombing to make Islam dominant. Family and even children are regarded as "tests" of the believers. To prove their loyalty to Allah, they must be able to forgo all these "worldly attachments" and get ready to sacrifice their lives in the cause of Islam.
Muslims are discouraged to take friends from amongst the unbelievers even if these unbelievers are their kin. 3:28 They are told the unbelievers are najis (filthy) 9:28 and that the believers should not associate with them.
The belief in the Day of Judgment and the Dooms Day is one of the pillars of the Islamic Faith.

Based on the above, Islam is a cult. It is the biggest and the most successful cult. It practically reunites every feature of cult. Other cults may not be cultic in some of the above points. But Islam is cultic in every way and it would be a gross mistake to number it among religions just because 1.2 billion benighted people call themselves Muslims.
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26-07-2014, 06:17 AM
RE: Is Islam a cult? Muslims don't read the Koran!
I agree that a large number of religious people don't bother reading their own holy book. We've had them admit it on this forum.... With that said, if you ever watch a muslim service on one of the many Islam channels, as happens in the mosque, large portions of the service are in fact, direct readings from the qu'ran, so as long as a muslim attends services, over a period of time, they get a general idea of their holy books content.

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26-07-2014, 06:20 AM (This post was last modified: 26-07-2014 06:24 AM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Is Islam a cult? Muslims don't read the Koran!
(26-07-2014 06:10 AM)Deltabravo Wrote:  
(26-07-2014 06:01 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Why pick on Muslims ? How many Christians or Jews have read the OT or the NT ?
What does "and don't make their own minds up based on what they understand the religion to be" even mean ? Who actually makes up their mind for them if they don't ? One can make up one's mind without reading the books. It may not be very well informed, but they still make up their own minds.

More crap from deltabravo.

Wow!

There is a vast difference between these religions. Have you heard of the "Reformation"? Is there a history of Islamic sholars being burnt at the stake for translating the Koran into their native tongue?

In a cult, followers are told what to believe by the leader, just as in Islam.

Have you, Bucky, read the Koran? What do you think of it? What are you anyway, an apologist for Islam? I thought this was an atheist forum but you seem to want to support Islam.

Here is something which yoiu will also probably call "crap" about the rise of Islam http://www.dankalia.com/islam/isl409.pdf

This suggests that Islam arose out of an environmental crisis in the Near East and the collapse of the feudal system in the area in the sixth century.

Your OP was NOT the "differences between religions" but the fact that Muslims have not read their book. It's no better or worse than Christianity.

Yes I have read the Quran. I'm not an "apologist" Islam. I actually think there may have been a dude (a trader) named Muhammad, but he was not really responsible for Islam. Islam was cooked up to unify the Arabic Empire.




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26-07-2014, 06:35 AM
RE: Is Islam a cult? Muslims don't read the Koran!
(26-07-2014 06:20 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(26-07-2014 06:10 AM)Deltabravo Wrote:  Wow!

There is a vast difference between these religions. Have you heard of the "Reformation"? Is there a history of Islamic sholars being burnt at the stake for translating the Koran into their native tongue?

In a cult, followers are told what to believe by the leader, just as in Islam.

Have you, Bucky, read the Koran? What do you think of it? What are you anyway, an apologist for Islam? I thought this was an atheist forum but you seem to want to support Islam.

Here is something which yoiu will also probably call "crap" about the rise of Islam http://www.dankalia.com/islam/isl409.pdf

This suggests that Islam arose out of an environmental crisis in the Near East and the collapse of the feudal system in the area in the sixth century.

Your OP was NOT the "differences between religions" but the fact that Muslims have not read their book. It's no better or worse than Christianity.

Yes I have read the Quran. I'm not an "apologist" Islam. I actually think there may have been a dude (a trader) named Muhammad, but he was not really responsible for Islam. Islam was cooked up to unify the Arabic Empire.




I read something along those lines years ago, the thing about him being a trader, I can't remember exactly but I'm reasonably sure that in the same article I read about him, the author also proposed Mohammed was epileptic and passed his fits off as visions in a bid (which if true worked) to stave off any accusations of being possessed.... It has been several years since I looked at any of that stuff, I think I will look at it again to see if the source is any good.

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26-07-2014, 06:50 AM
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All those traits are present in Christianity, shikism, or Hinduism.

You're not defining anything differently of how the majority of religious people act. It's a worthless use of the term cult.

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26-07-2014, 09:26 AM
RE: Is Islam a cult? Muslims don't read the Koran!
(26-07-2014 06:12 AM)Deltabravo Wrote:  Here is why Islam is a cult:

Islam is known as the second largest religion. The very fact that 1.2 billion people call themselves Muslims vests Islam with the mantel of legitimacy and confirms the claim that it is a religion. But is it?

Can 1.2 billion people be wrong? Well, in logic we have something called "argumentum ad numerum". It states that something is true if a lot of people believe in it. But argumentum ad numerum is a logical fallacy. Truth cannot be established by the consensus of the majority. In fact many arguments have been proven to be false, even though everyone in the world once accepted them as true. For example, not until a few centuries ago everyone believed that the Earth is flat and is at the centre of the universe. Despite that common belief both geocentricity and the idea of the flat Earth were false. A false belief does not become true even if everyone thinks they are true.

Therefore, not only 1.2 billion people, but the entire mankind can be wrong. As Bertrand Russell said: “The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd; indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible.” (Source)

After shattering the myth of argumentum ad numerum, let us put Islam under scrutiny and see whether it is a religion or a cult.

The following is a description of what cult is:

A cult is a religious group with extreme beliefs and practices - beliefs that are often contrary to science and logic but they are believed as "obvious" truth by the cult members.
The members of cults often isolate themselves from friends, family and society and use deceptive and unethical recruiting techniques
Use manipulative methods to control the minds of followers
Venerate a human leader or leaders
Recruiting work is performed by all of the members
People are not allowed to criticize the leader, the doctrine, or the organization, or read information that is critical of the cult.
Members are trained to reject and disbelieve criticism of the cult as lies from Satan.
Members spy on one another and report improper activities or comments to leaders.
Members are taught to suppress anything which might reflect negatively to outsiders about the cult.
The doctrine is absolutist and the ideology is internalized as "the Truth."
Members are told to avoid contact with ex-members or critics, even their relatives.
Members are instilled with a deep fear about ever leaving the organization, and anyone who does depart is of the devil and sometimes severely punished.
Members are emotional controlled and warned of being caught and punished.
Disciplinary action is administered by group leaders, which may involve excommunication for such things as questioning organization policy or doctrine.
People are encouraged to sacrifice education, career and family interests to server the interests of the cult.
Advocate socializing only with other members in the organization and avoiding outsiders.
The belief in apocalypse and Dooms Day.

[Source]

All these traits are present in Islam.

Islam claims to be a religion with strong devotion to Muhammad and a set of unsubstantiated doctrines presented by him. Monotheism is used as a pretext to exert absolute control over the believers, leaving them no chance to question or investigate alternative paths.
Muhammad forced his followers to leave their families (8:72) and gathered them in Yathrib. He said: “And those who believed but did not leave their homes, ye have no duty to protect them till they leave their homes”. He warned those who did not follow him, leaving behind their families, will be cursed by Allah and “their habitation will be hell”(4:97). Muhammad went as far as to order his followers to murder those Muslims who defected his barricade.(4:89) In Yathrib he banished and killed the Jews who did not believe in him, thus eliminating the chance of his followers coming in contact with outsiders and being influenced by anyone. In this way he exerted absolute control over the lives and the minds of his followers. Jim Jones did the same. He called his town "Jonestown". Muhammad changed the name of Yathirb to Madinatul Nabi (Prophet’s Town)
He used manipulative methods to control the minds of his followers. These methods ranged from threat of hellfire, and promises of paradise, to exhaustive rituals of prayers and fasts, devised to numb the thought, and threat of physical punishment including execution and constant warfare, keeping his followers in perpetual state of agitation.
He established himself as the sole authority among his followers and the only source of guidance to the extent that they looked up to him for every detail of their lives, including how to dress, how to shave, how to pray and even how to urinate and how to clean after bowl movement. Ostensibly the worship was to God but effectively he was the only object of veneration of his followers and the only authority. Nominally God was to be obeyed but he was God's proxy, thus assuming the authority of God.
All believers were asked to promote his cause through Jihad, propaganda or by giving generously from their wealth. 4:95, 9:20, 49:15, 61:11
The criticism of Muhammad and Islam was totally prohibited and if anyone dared to question him or his decisions, Omar swiftly unshielded his sword and threatened to slash the throat of the intrepid questioner forcing him to apologize. The message was sent in a very clear tone that no one must question Muhammad and his authority. 1400 years later, the message remains the same. If you question Islam you will be killed.
Muslims are told to dismiss any criticism of Islam as coming from Satan and they often avoid reading critical views about their Faith. I have received testimonies of apostates who confessed that at first when they came across this site they stopped reading it and dismissed it as the work of Satan. See this I myself never read any book critical of Islam and once frowned at a friend who expressed her curiosity about Salman Rushdie's Satanic Verses.
Muslims are encouraged to spy on each other and report any sign of dissent. Amr bil Maroof wa Nahi anil Munkir (Commanding to follow the religion and preventing from doing what is prohibited) is a tenet of Islam. Every Muslim is required to poke his nose in the private lives of others, spy on them and tell them what they should do and what they should not do. Every Muslim is an enforcer of religion and the moral police for others.
Muslims suppress anything that might present Islam in negative light. Preserving the image of Islam is of utmost importance and Muslims lie with clarity of conscience to misrepresent their religion and make it look good. For example women in Islam are treated like animals and are considered as deficient in intelligence. Every Muslim knows that including the women, who blame the men for it but not the Islam. But they lie through their teeth bragging about the "elevated" status of women in Islam. Jihad means aggressive war to expand Islam. Every Muslim knows that. Yet all of them lie and say Jihad means "self defense". A couple of years ago I received a very angry email from a Muslim who cursed me for revealing the fact that Muhammad had slept with a 9-year old child and at the end he said “the damage is already done” and I will be certainly punished for what I had done. The fact that Muhammad slept with a child did not bother this Muslim but what bothered him was revealing this fact.
Islam is extremely absolutist and Muslims believe that it is the only true religion. This “truth” however is not self evident. It is "true" because Muhammad said so.
Muslims are told to shun the apostates and the critics of Islam. New converts are often circled and are isolated from their non-Muslim family and friends. They are showered with love and receive a lot of emotional support until the brainwashing is complete.
Muslims are instilled with the fear of leaving Islam. This fear comes in two forms. One is the fear of Hell and of eternal punishment and the other is the fear of being caught and put to death by fellow Muslims, including their best friends and family.
Those who leave Islam must live in constant threat of being discovered and killed. In Muslims’ Comments section of this site you can see that Muslims often talk about this fear and say they pity me for having to look over my shoulders all the time and live in fear of being assassinated. The values are so distorted that they do not pity themselves for being the assassins but pity me for having to live in their fear.
In Islam disciplinary action includes beating, maiming, stoning, beheading or jail. Excommunication is for minor offenses. The poet Ka’b and two others were excommunicated for fifty days and during that time no one spoke to them. Ka’b’s wife was told to leave him and wherever he went people ignored him as if he was invisible. All this, because he did not accompany Muhammad in the war of Tabutk.
Muslims are told to sacrifice their comfort, their wealth and including their lives to promote Islam. Young men are encouraged to leave their studies and work, wage Jihad, and commit suicide bombing to make Islam dominant. Family and even children are regarded as "tests" of the believers. To prove their loyalty to Allah, they must be able to forgo all these "worldly attachments" and get ready to sacrifice their lives in the cause of Islam.
Muslims are discouraged to take friends from amongst the unbelievers even if these unbelievers are their kin. 3:28 They are told the unbelievers are najis (filthy) 9:28 and that the believers should not associate with them.
The belief in the Day of Judgment and the Dooms Day is one of the pillars of the Islamic Faith.

Based on the above, Islam is a cult. It is the biggest and the most successful cult. It practically reunites every feature of cult. Other cults may not be cultic in some of the above points. But Islam is cultic in every way and it would be a gross mistake to number it among religions just because 1.2 billion benighted people call themselves Muslims.

.... all right, I'd have quibbles about the definition of a cult, about whether gathering everyone around a central figure is cultish if the central figure is centuries dead, whether carefully-chosen quotations from the holy text have much relevance to the faith as actually practiced, and so on. But even if I were to grant that Islam is a cult...

A) You claim that Islam is the biggest and most successful cult. But that would require you to demonstrate that there isn't a bigger, MORE successful cult. What standard are you applying to Islam to say that it is a cult, that does not also say that Christianity is a cult?

B) So what?
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