Is The Documentary Hypothesis Still Valid?
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28-06-2013, 02:59 PM
RE: Is The Documentary Hypothesis Still Valid?
Quote:No, actually Deuteronomy is older than those texts, and the covenant notions of the other texts are drawn primarily from what is in Deuteronomy.

What is your empirical evidence that Deuteronomy is older than the rest of the Penteteuch, please?
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28-06-2013, 03:10 PM
RE: Is The Documentary Hypothesis Still Valid?
(28-06-2013 02:59 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  What is your empirical evidence that Deuteronomy is older than the rest of the Penteteuch, please?

You don't get to demand empirical evidence when you can't produce evidence of any kind whatsoever for your position. I linked you to several books on the topic. Refer to those and get back to me. If your performance in the other thread where you claimed 1QIsa-a differed in only one word from MT is any indication, however, you would do the same thing here with actual evidence that you did there: bark "Nu-uh!" and insult my competence as a biblical scholar.

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01-07-2013, 03:01 PM
RE: Is The Documentary Hypothesis Still Valid?
1. I didn't demand, I used the word "please" as well.

2. My question and your response underscores my point. You don't have any empirical evidence. DH is merely dissection of what was and what is.

3. If you are confusing disagreement with a theory with your competence as a scholar, you don't understand discourse at a university level. Most faculty I know consider it a gift to offer constructive criticism. Please, if you are a professor or TA, please, please tell me you respond to student inquiries without saying, "How dare you assault my competence as a scholar..."?

4. You know more than me about the DH and the source texts, etc? You are the educator here? Okay, then yours is the burden of proof. Either present empirical evidence for your claims or don't. I might even agree with you if you did, since there is neither a threat to my ego nor to the HN being the Word of God if teams of editors wrote it. Where is the statement that Moses wrote the Torah in the Torah? It doesn't exist...

5. It bears repeating, you are teaching about the DH, so kindly present your evidence.
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02-09-2014, 10:15 AM (This post was last modified: 02-09-2014 06:13 PM by Krupin.)
RE: Is The Documentary Hypothesis Still Valid?
In my opinion (based solely on logical consistency), the original version of the Pentateuch (or rather its prototype) was written at the end of the prisoner by priest "Elohist" lived in Samaria, belonged to the tribe of Ephraim. Worldview characteristic of the author:
Profession: probably a priest. Worshiped gods married couple Yahweh + Asher. This pair is designated "Elohim".
views on the family: up relations of the gods - the monogamous family with a touch of matriarchy.
Political orientation: Patriot tribes of Ephraim and Manasseh, which are referred to as "Jacob," a friend of Egypt (yet unconquered by the Persians). Lack of hatred for other tribes of Palestine.

The content of the primary works Elohist:

Abraham comes to Canaan on their own. At the insistence of Sarah gives birth to a son named Israel by Hagar. For some reason exempt city of Beit She'an. Melchizedek - the priest and the king of the city rewards and blesses him. With the blessing of Melchizedek, Abram becomes the darling of the Elohim (Yahweh and Asherah). Abram and Sarai new names (Abraham and Sarah). Asherah gives Sarah a son - Isaac. Grateful Abraham sets Asherah idol in Beersheba.

Gods experience of Abraham and Isaac on devotion (a failed sacrifice). In honor of this event Isaac gets a new name - Jacob. Israel marries Leah and Jacob (formerly Isaac - Rachel). The sons of Israel are sold into slavery Joseph - the son of Jacob. Joseph takes revenge on them, turning the building into hereditary slaves. Before his death, Jacob adopts Ephraim and Manasseh, that they have inherited his land in Palestine. Other children of Joseph are noble Egyptians.

Joseph sent villains (and their descendants) in the heavy construction work. But he observed the principle of "an eye for an eye" Slaves get enough food for life and procreation. But the new Pharaoh became physically exterminate Jewish boys (exceeding allowable penalties). The gods decided to save the amnesty and the seed of Israel. The role of savior is best approached Moses, brought up in Pharaoh's palace.

After the murder of the Egyptian Moses fled to the land of Samaria. There he became acquainted with the family (the righteous) priest. When Zipporah led to the holy father's house uncircumcised Moses, Yahweh wanted to kill him. Zipporah reacted with lightning speed, cutting the groom. In such circumstances, Moses met with the Lord.

The gods have decided to send to Egypt Moses and Zipporah. Moses had to spend Zipporah to the palace of Pharaoh, and to provide an audience. Zipporah - Priestess and Witch had to win in the contest of the Egyptian sorcerers, and a series of unpleasant (but nonfatal) disasters force Pharaoh to let the captives. Zipporah brilliantly coped with the task 7 (instead of ten) "executions". Liberated prisoners gods moved to Palestine "on eagles' wings."

On Mount Horeb Yahweh and Asherah handed Joshua (the leader of "Jacob") and Moses (the leader of "Israel"), two (identical) stone tablets of 7 (and not ten) commandments. Warlord (Ephraimite) Joshua conquered the land to Israel ("Jacob" - the tribes of Ephraim, Manasseh, and perhaps Benjamin) lived on their land.

Elohist, supposedly died, did not finish the book until the end. His heirs have moved the service to a competitor - who returned from the Babylonian captivity of Jerusalem priests. The book was edited and appended to the interests of the new owners.
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02-09-2014, 02:58 PM
RE: Is The Documentary Hypothesis Still Valid?
(02-09-2014 10:15 AM)Krupin Wrote:  In my opinion (based solely on logical consistency), the original version of the Pentateuch (or rather its prototype) was written at the end of the prisoner by priest "Elohist" lived in Samaria, belonged to the tribe of Ephraim. Worldview characteristic of the author:
Profession: probably a priest. Worshiped gods married couple Yahweh + Asher. This pair is designated "Elohim".
views on the family: up relations of the gods - the monogamous family with a touch of matriarchy.
Political orientation: Patriot tribes of Ephraim and Manasseh, which are referred to as "Jacob," a friend of Egypt (yet unconquered by the Persians). Lack of hatred for other tribes of Palestine.

The content of the primary works Elohist:

Abraham comes to Canaan on their own. At the insistence of Sarah gives birth to a son named Israel by Hagar. For some reason exempt city of Beit She'an. Melchizedek - the priest and the king of the city rewards and blesses him. With the blessing of Melchizedek, Abram becomes the darling of the Elohim (Yahweh and Asherah). Abram and Sarai new names (Abraham and Sarah). Asherah gives Sarah a son - Isaac. Grateful Abraham sets Asherah idol in Beersheba.

Gods experience of Abraham and Isaac on devotion (a failed sacrifice). In honor of this event Isaac gets a new name - Jacob. Israel marries Leah and Jacob (formerly Isaac - Rachel). The sons of Israel are sold into slavery Joseph - the son of Jacob. Joseph takes revenge on them, turning the building into hereditary slaves. Before his death, Jacob adopts Ephraim and Manasseh, that they have inherited his land in Palestine. Other children of Joseph are noble Egyptians.

Joseph sent villains (and their descendants) in the heavy construction work. But he observed the principle of "an eye for an eye" Slaves get enough food for life and procreation. But the new Pharaoh became physically exterminate Jewish boys (exceeding allowable penalties). The gods decided to save the amnesty and the seed of Israel. The role of savior is best approached Moses, brought up in Pharaoh's palace.

After the murder of the Egyptian Moses fled to the land of Samaria. There he became acquainted with the family (the righteous) priest. When Zipporah led to the holy father's house uncircumcised Moses, Yahweh wanted to kill him. Zipporah reacted with lightning speed, cutting the groom. In such circumstances, Moses met with the Lord.

The gods have decided to send to Egypt Moses and Zipporah. Moses had to spend Zipporah to the palace of Pharaoh, and to provide an audience. Zipporah - Priestess and Witch had to win in the contest of the Egyptian sorcerers, and a series of unpleasant (but nonfatal) disasters force Pharaoh to let the captives. Zipporah brilliantly coped with the task 7 (instead of ten) "executions". Liberated prisoners gods moved to Palestine "on eagles' wings."

On Mount Horeb Yahweh and Asherah handed Joshua (the leader of "Jacob") and Moses (the leader of "Israel"), two (identical) stone tablets of the family (and not ten) commandments. Warlord (Ephraimite) Joshua conquered the land to Israel ("Jacob" - the tribes of Ephraim, Manasseh, and perhaps Benjamin) lived on their land.

Elohist, supposedly died, did not finish the book until the end. His heirs have moved the service to a competitor - who returned from the Babylonian captivity of Jerusalem priests. The book was edited and appended to the interests of the new owners.

I have only one question. Which end of the prisoner did they write on ?
Did they use the proximal end, or the distal end ?

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