Is a Conspiracy Theorist someone who ignorantly believes things,?
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22-09-2013, 01:16 PM
RE: Is a Conspiracy Theorist someone who ignorantly believes things,?
There are real conspiracies. However, there are groups of people who particularly like to elaborate on such conspiracies, and who see conspiracies where there are none. To understand this phenomenon, one has to understand the motivation of the conspiracy theorists. I can only guess what these motivations are.

Some conspiracy theorists are just paranoid. Paranoia can be a symptom of a mental disorder.

For some conspiracy theorist it is an escape of reality. THe world is just much more interesting with these conspiracies.

Some conspiracy theorists have a sense of superiority. They see what is hidden to others. They feel smarter than everyone else.

The problem with conspiracy theories is that they usually not completely bogus. There may be kernel of truth. They may ask genuine questions. However, in evaluating all the information related to their claims, they are extremely biased. They may cherry pick facts that support their claims.
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22-09-2013, 03:04 PM
RE: Is a Conspiracy Theorist someone who ignorantly believes things,?
When you say JFK you have to be more specific. That he was murdered by Oswald and others, murdered by the government, threw out his back the day before (with Marilyn) and was sitting in a brace so he couldn't dodge anything.

And conspiracietheories, well, they used to say the Military Industrial Complex was a conspiracy theory, but Blackwater and Halliburton sure made that one easy.

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22-09-2013, 04:51 PM
RE: Is a Conspiracy Theorist someone who ignorantly believes things,?
(22-09-2013 03:04 PM)Caveman Wrote:  When you say JFK you have to be more specific. That he was murdered by Oswald and others, murdered by the government, threw out his back the day before (with Marilyn) and was sitting in a brace so he couldn't dodge anything.

And conspiracietheories, well, they used to say the Military Industrial Complex was a conspiracy theory, but Blackwater and Halliburton sure made that one easy.

The military-industrial complex has never been a conspiracy theory.

President Eisenhower warned us of its danger in his exit speech.




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03-10-2013, 12:31 PM
RE: Is a Conspiracy Theorist someone who ignorantly believes things,?
" In a cultural war Truth is the first Casualty"
When we resign ourselves to judge information based on the teller's affiliation or ideology, we almost never research the nuts and bolts of what they are saying to determine if indeed that facts they present are valid. Much of what any individual believes is taken by faith in the people or sources we get our information from. Also personal pride and arrogance may get in the way because no one wants to be thought of as a conspiracy freak so the popular choice is to disbelieve anything that is in the genre of conspiracy even if it may be factual.

(16-08-2013 09:01 PM)ridethespiral Wrote:  JFK and 911 make such good conspiracy fodder because the official versions are so dubious.

A wingless plane with no tail hits the Pentagon? A dude leaves a tear jerking cell phone message, regains control of the cockpit in hand to hand combat and then initiates a nose dive above PA? Both towers look exactly like a controlled demolition.

A magical bullet arcs to hit JFK at a different angle?

....Doesn't mean the consipiracists are anywhere near the truth mind you... Just like if one could prove there was a god it wouldn't make it the christian god.....It just means the official versions don't add up.

...Oh and as always the conspiracy vs the state crap probably obscures a lot of real issues like all the asbestos the EPA likely neglected to clean up in NYC and firefighters not getting their medical.
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06-10-2013, 06:54 AM
RE: Is a Conspiracy Theorist someone who ignorantly believes things,?
IMHO if someone has 2 or more Conspiracy Theories that don't come to be public knowledge within a reasonable time frame.
Then they are most likely attention seeking nutters who subconsciously avoid goggling 5 minutes of fact checking so as to protect their "special" in the know knowledge that they blab to anyone who makes eye contact..

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06-10-2013, 03:27 PM
RE: Is a Conspiracy Theorist someone who ignorantly believes things,?
(22-09-2013 04:51 PM)Chas Wrote:  The military-industrial complex has never been a conspiracy theory.

President Eisenhower warned us of its danger in his exit speech.

30 years before Eisenhower even. Posted this before but feels like a repost is justified. The most important part of Girly's job is to make sure these fuckers ain't ripping off the taxpayers. But I'm only involved with R&D which is but a tiny sliver of the racket.

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"I spent thirty-three years and four months in active military service as a member of this country's most agile military force, the Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks from Second Lieutenant to Major-General. And during that period, I spent most of my time being a high class muscle-man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the Bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism.

I suspected I was just part of a racket at the time. Now I am sure of it. Like all the members of the military profession, I never had a thought of my own until I left the service. My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military service.

I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested.

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06-10-2013, 05:54 PM
RE: Is a Conspiracy Theorist someone who ignorantly believes things,?
(16-08-2013 09:17 PM)cjlr Wrote:  
(16-08-2013 09:01 PM)ridethespiral Wrote:  A wingless plane with no tail hits the Pentagon? A dude leaves a tear jerking cell phone message, regains control of the cockpit in hand to hand combat and then initiates a nose dive above PA? Both towers look exactly like a controlled demolition. A magical bullet arcs to hit JFK at a different angle?

They look a little funny on the surface, sure. If you don't understand the physics... And if you're predisposed to disbelieve anything you think is too "official" or "mainstream" then that leaves only the specious fringe conclusions.

Those are known as cockspiracies. Drinking Beverage

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06-10-2013, 06:38 PM
RE: Is a Conspiracy Theorist someone who ignorantly believes things,?
The term "conspiracy theory" are for ideas that go against government.

Every accusation against the US government is a conspiracy theory even if facts are stated.

Example: Declassified Operation Northwoods was a list of ways to start a war with Cuba because after the defeat of the americans by Cuba (here comes a new definition of defeat) in the failed invasion.

One of the methods listed was to hijack airplanes and blame them on cubans. One of the other ways to attack U.S. forces and blame the attack on cubans in order to get support for another war.

Some people are truly stupid, you can show them the declassified documents, then after they read them, they will then say "the U.S. would never ever ever ever ever ever ever attack it's own people or hijack planes and blame them on someone else just to further it's imperial agenda.

It takes some mental gymnastics to be on that level of patriotism.
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07-10-2013, 05:55 AM (This post was last modified: 07-10-2013 06:01 AM by grizzlysnake.)
RE: Is a Conspiracy Theorist someone who ignorantly believes things,?
someone who ignorantly believes things is often called credulous. This meaning they are open to believe anything they are told or read. Mostly likely to practice homeopathy Hobo
I would say that killing abraham Lincoln was a true conspiracy. John Wilkes Booth did more than shoot Lincoln, he planned with other conspirators to kill government officials to overthrow the government. They weren't as successful
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07-10-2013, 07:39 AM
RE: Is a Conspiracy Theorist someone who ignorantly believes things,?
(06-10-2013 06:38 PM)I and I Wrote:  The term "conspiracy theory" are for ideas that go against government.

The term as it is used to describe beliefs of the credulous is for ideas that give the government too much credit, granting them powers of near omnipotence and omniscience. It's a term for people who might have successfully given up their god belief, but just can't give up that Satan belief... so gave Satan a new name.

Give me your argument in the form of a published paper, and then we can start to talk.
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