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14-09-2015, 11:29 AM
RE: Is a college education worth it?
I don't have anything to add, but intelligence squared held a debate on this topic

http://intelligencesquaredus.org/debates...in-chicago

I love their debates. This was a fun one to listen to in case anyone is interested.

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14-09-2015, 12:58 PM
RE: Is a college education worth it?
What's worth? Is the purpose of a university education strictly to be considered in terms of direct financial gain?

I guess that's an option...

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14-09-2015, 01:07 PM
RE: Is a college education worth it?
(14-09-2015 09:59 AM)Reducetarian Wrote:  Those of you in the U.S. who are thinking of sending your kids away to college might want to consider Canadian universities:
Why?
1) very easy to apply (eligibility is strictly based on marks, no essays or extracurricular activities considered)
2) consistently excellent teaching and research standards across the board (all universities are provincially and federally funded and there is little variability in standards, even across provinces)
3) well-respected internationally (i.e, even the University of Ottawa, which you've probably never heard of, is among the top 2% globally, according to Leiden rankings)
4) US students are still eligible for US government grants and funding, and
5) comparably dirt cheap, even for foreign students. And that's not even factoring in the exchange rate. For example, at Ivy-league-comparable McGill, a BSc undergrad foreign student can expect to pay $36,651 CDN ( that's $USD 27,600) for tuition, which includes health insurance . Plus they get to live in downtown Montreal, still a relatively cheap place to live, before factoring in all those "entertainment expenses" . Smartass

(Warning: all these savings go out the window if you pick University of Toronto or UBC, just because of the high cost of living in Vancouver or Toronto)

6) University rankings are inherently skewed towards the largest bodies, since they've the most capacity for extensive [post-]graduate level facilities across a range of disciplines. This has nothing to do with Canada per se, but it does mean that (say) U of T is going to be much more highly rated than (say) Queen's just about regardless, for all that it wouldn't make a difference in undergrad.

7) That "cheap" international tuition is, hilariously (?) sill 5-10x as much as domestic students pay.

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14-09-2015, 01:29 PM (This post was last modified: 15-09-2015 07:42 AM by DLJ.)
RE: Is a college education worth it?
Quote:5) comparably dirt cheap, even for foreign students. And that's not even factoring in the exchange rate. For example, at Ivy-league-comparable McGill, a BSc undergrad foreign student can expect to pay $36,651 CDN ( that's $USD 27,600) for tuition, which includes health insurance .

That's SOCIALISM. You can't expect red-blooded 'Murricans to embrace socialism!!!

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14-09-2015, 01:57 PM
RE: Is a college education worth it?
(14-09-2015 01:07 PM)cjlr Wrote:  6) University rankings are inherently skewed towards the largest bodies, since they've the most capacity for extensive [post-]graduate level facilities across a range of disciplines. This has nothing to do with Canada per se, but it does mean that (say) U of T is going to be much more highly rated than (say) Queen's just about regardless, for all that it wouldn't make a difference in undergrad.

7) That "cheap" international tuition is, hilariously (?) sill 5-10x as much as domestic students pay.

RE 6) Agreed, but the relative differences (in rankings) between Canadian universities, even between global leaders like UofT and a smallish, liberal arts school like UVic, are much less than comparably-sized schools in the US. This is important at the undergrad level because it makes getting into a "stretch" school less of an issue: i.e. if you do well in Political Science at UVic it means pretty much the same as doing well at UBC, so undergrads can base their choice on other factors (such as night-life Tongue ) In fact, the whole idea of a "stretch" school is much less prevalent here: admission averages have become pretty consistent across the board (within a range of 10% or so).

RE 7) Keep in mind that the parents of "domestic students" (i.e. Quebecers ) are funding McGill and other universities through MUCH higher taxes, so there's that. But at least if you're a Quebecer and your kid gets into McGill, you're getting your (tax) money's worth.

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14-09-2015, 02:03 PM
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(14-09-2015 06:49 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  I assume most places don't have to wonder if a college education is worth the cost, since the cost isn't as inflated as it is in the US.
Also, in a lot of countries college is from age 11-17, then we go off to university.
It seems in USA you guys take a lot longer to get into college, not till your 17 or 18.
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14-09-2015, 02:05 PM
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(14-09-2015 01:29 PM)Minimalist Wrote:  [quote]5) comparably dirt cheap, even for foreign students. And that's not even factoring in the exchange rate. For example, at Ivy-league-comparable McGill, a BSc undergrad foreign student can expect to pay $36,651 CDN ( that's $USD 27,600) for tuition, which includes health insurance .[/quote]

That's SOCIALISM. You can't expect red-blooded 'Murricans to embrace socialism!!!

Nah, just think of the university as your employer ...

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14-09-2015, 02:07 PM
RE: Is a college education worth it?
Mine was worth it, but between my veterans and employee benefits I actually made money going to college so it would have been worth it even if it hadn't translated into a better paying job.

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14-09-2015, 02:28 PM
RE: Is a college education worth it?
(14-09-2015 01:57 PM)Reducetarian Wrote:  
(14-09-2015 01:07 PM)cjlr Wrote:  6) University rankings are inherently skewed towards the largest bodies, since they've the most capacity for extensive [post-]graduate level facilities across a range of disciplines. This has nothing to do with Canada per se, but it does mean that (say) U of T is going to be much more highly rated than (say) Queen's just about regardless, for all that it wouldn't make a difference in undergrad.

7) That "cheap" international tuition is, hilariously (?) sill 5-10x as much as domestic students pay.

RE 6) Agreed, but the relative differences (in rankings) between Canadian universities, even between global leaders like UofT and a smallish, liberal arts school like UVic, are much less than comparably-sized schools in the US. This is important at the undergrad level because it makes getting into a "stretch" school less of an issue: i.e. if you do well in Political Science at UVic it means pretty much the same as doing well at UBC, so undergrads can base their choice on other factors (such as night-life Tongue ) In fact, the whole idea of a "stretch" school is much less prevalent here: admission averages have become pretty consistent across the board (within a range of 10% or so).

RE 7) Keep in mind that the parents of "domestic students" (i.e. Quebecers ) are funding McGill and other universities through MUCH higher taxes, so there's that. But at least if you're a Quebecer and your kid gets into McGill, you're getting your (tax) money's worth.

Indeed.

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16-09-2015, 08:46 PM
Is a college education worth it?
Yes it's your ticket into the real world

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