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24-05-2017, 06:21 PM (This post was last modified: 24-05-2017 06:31 PM by Thoreauvian.)
RE: Is atheism prideful?
(24-05-2017 10:11 AM)GMSkeptic Wrote:  Opinions? Is atheism prideful? Are religious people just projecting when they say that?

Christians typically look at atheists through their religious assumptions. They tell you more about themselves than about you when they respond to you. In this instance, they are telling you that they think they could embrace atheism only if they were overcome by pride.
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24-05-2017, 06:30 PM
RE: Is atheism prideful?
Any religion that vilifies pride while exalting shame should be torn apart by wild tortoises, set ablaze, and flung shrieking into the abyss from which it arose.

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24-05-2017, 07:05 PM
RE: Is atheism prideful?
Christians call pride a "sin", yet practice it daily.
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24-05-2017, 07:55 PM
RE: Is atheism prideful?
(24-05-2017 10:11 AM)GMSkeptic Wrote:  I was just going over an old email from a family member who had just discovered I was an atheist. They had asked me about why I deconverted so I explained my perspective, told my deconversion story, and included some links to some Cosmic Skeptic videos that explained my points. Part of their response was this:

"As I continue to read through your story and watch the videos there's a single thread that comes through. The thread is pride. All of these "proofs" are based on what you want or need. You are smart, brilliant in fact, but you have become puffed up to the point you believe your creator has something to prove to you, on your time table and in your way. The pridefulness of the young man in the video about God makes me physically sick to my stomach. That's pride over and over. I pray you never become that prideful."

I found this pretty ridiculous. I never thought I was placing myself above God or believers somehow. I felt I was taking the humble position. I'd been a believer all my life, asserting I knew ultimate truth, but now I realize that I don't. All I know is what I can perceive and reason through as a flawed human being, and my arguments are just my best attempt at that. I could be wrong and I'm open to changing my position if evidence demand it. I'm not claiming superior understanding through divine revelation.

TL;DR version: I've been called prideful for being an atheist. I think my skepticism is a humble position because I'm not claiming divine knowledge and I'm 100% open to changing my position if it's proven invalid.

Opinions? Is atheism prideful? Are religious people just projecting when they say that?

EDIT: Woah, thanks for all the replies, everyone! I'm thinking of posting a video I made on the subject but I didn't want to spam the forum with self promotion. But I may post it since you guys are interested in the topic.
As far as I'm concerned, being an atheist is simply recognizing reality. I see nothing prideful about it.
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24-05-2017, 08:20 PM
RE: Is atheism prideful?
(24-05-2017 05:53 PM)Alla Wrote:  
GMSkeptic Wrote:Opinions? Is atheism prideful? Are religious people just projecting when they say that?

Not all. LDS(Mormons) would never say this to you.

There are plenty of prideful religious people.
They are also self-righteous people if they judge you.

I am judged on this forum by some atheists. They say I am horrible person because I voted for Trump and because I believe in horrible God YHWH(Christ).
So, there are plenty of self-righteous people on both sides.

P.S. Honest doubts have nothing to do with pride.

Against my better judgment, I'm going to respond to this post. People here disagree with you because of the high-handed way in which the topics of reasonable medical care and help for people who are down on their luck are not addressed by the US, and with which you seem to agree (basically, "to hell with those losers", while admitting that you have stiffed the medical community of their proper compensation). I wouldn't say "judged" by the worthies here, so much as vehemently disagreed with. That religion you espouse gives a big hug to martyrs. Maybe you think that showing up here and witnessing for some putative jesus is a good thing? I don't know. But I deem your position on these issues pathetic and miserly. You've used the system to your advantage, but would deny others the same. In the xtian religions, shame weighs heavy as a tool to manipulate people. Have you no shame? Huh
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24-05-2017, 08:30 PM
RE: Is atheism prideful?
"Is atheism prideful ?"

No. Not at'tall.
We are very very humumble.

In fact, I'm the most humumble of all.Angel

Insufferable know-it-all.Einstein God has a plan for us. Please stop screwing it up with your prayers.
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24-05-2017, 08:32 PM
RE: Is atheism prideful?
If you're from the U.S., these same Christians are probably "proud to be an American".

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24-05-2017, 09:19 PM
RE: Is atheism prideful?
(24-05-2017 05:53 PM)Alla Wrote:  I am judged on this forum by some atheists. They say I am horrible person because I voted for Trump and because I believe in horrible God YHWH(Christ).
So, there are plenty of self-righteous people on both sides.

P.S. Honest doubts have nothing to do with pride.

We don't think a person is horrible because they believe in God. We pity those who do. We try to help them see through the delusions that cloud their mind because we care about them as a human being. When the person persists in the delusion beyond a point some consider reasonable for an honest person, there are those who would question whether that level of what appears to be dishonesty indicates a flaw in the person.

Similarly, we don't care that you voted for Trump, we care about the ideas that you absorb from some really awful people on the right, who are professional manipulators and propagandists, such as the Heritage Foundation, which most non-hyper-conservative people consider abhorrent, which they promote in order to benefit the extremely wealthy and continue the class warfare which has gone on for the past 40 years, transferring the wealth upward at a literally historic rate and degree never before seen on this earth-- all while convincing the population that anyone trying to stop them is a "socialist" and just like the communists with their radial ideologies. And it works! I've heard you say similar things, and you should know enough of us and enough actual Marxist-Leninists to tell the damned difference!

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25-05-2017, 12:21 AM (This post was last modified: 25-05-2017 12:25 AM by Robvalue.)
RE: Is atheism prideful?
It sounds to me like they are assuming they are right (God exists) and then assessing your position based on that. It's really stupid, like you're making demands of God, a being "you know" exists. Many believers can't seem to get their head around the fact that our position is that we doubt such a being exists, not that we're trying to turn a blind eye to it; and usually that the very specific, personal Gods are nothing but fantasy. So they are stuck in their world of magic, unable to apply reason and can only appeal to emotion.

I agree with you, scepticism is humble. It starts from a position of assuming no knowledge, and is careful about what conclusions are drawn. Often the believer starts by assuming their conclusion is correct (that they are somehow personally important to a supposed super powerful being) and expects science to come to their fortress in the sky. This is anything but humble.

There's nothing wrong with taking pride in scepticism, but it's a blatant attempt at emotional manipulation to try and reduce the whole position to pride.

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25-05-2017, 05:46 AM
RE: Is atheism prideful?
(24-05-2017 05:53 PM)Alla Wrote:  
GMSkeptic Wrote:Opinions? Is atheism prideful? Are religious people just projecting when they say that?

Not all. LDS(Mormons) would never say this to you.

There are plenty of prideful religious people.
They are also self-righteous people if they judge you.

I am judged on this forum by some atheists. They say I am horrible person because I voted for Trump and because I believe in horrible God YHWH(Christ).
So, there are plenty of self-righteous people on both sides.

P.S. Honest doubts have nothing to do with pride.

And neither does pointing out who you voted for and analyzing your beliefs.
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