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26-05-2017, 06:51 AM
RE: Is atheism prideful?
[quote='AB517' pid='1190317' dateline='1495802069']
... lost in a fog of emotion caught in an adolescent brain.

Sounds like our president.
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26-05-2017, 07:13 AM (This post was last modified: 26-05-2017 07:40 AM by GenesisNemesis.)
RE: Is atheism prideful?
(25-05-2017 08:34 PM)Alla Wrote:  
GenesisNemesis Wrote:If you still don't understand why people might judge you because you voted for Trump, you're being willfully ignorant.
I understand it very well. According to them I voted for Trump because I hate poor and sick.
You say that I am wilfully ignorant. Again - you claim that you are more superior than I am. I am the one who is ignorant but you are super, duper educated and sophisticated.

You don't need to be educated to see that Trump is a lying piece of shit. It's an objective fact that he's screwing over people and he doesn't care about anything he said on the campaign trail. It's hilarious how Christians such as yourself go on about the golden rule and morality, and then you elect someone who lacks morality to represent the country.

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26-05-2017, 07:48 AM (This post was last modified: 26-05-2017 07:56 AM by RocketSurgeon76.)
RE: Is atheism prideful?
(26-05-2017 06:34 AM)AB517 Wrote:  I didn't vote for trump. I voted against the direction the country was heading. It seems some liberals are so literal that they can't see past the emotions at the end of their noses.

I voted for a non politician. As with all rookies, there will have mistakes. trump is not pretty, but his base premise is better than anything hill billary chiton has.

Are you high? Or are you just pretending to be? You've clearly been swallowing the propaganda Kool-Aid about what a liberal is. Many of us "emotional liberals" also refused to vote for Hillary, because we saw what she was. But we also saw clearly what Trump is, and have been warning about him from the beginning.

Trump is a fanatical capitalist; he believes that profits are more valuable than people, and he was willing to lie to people who (emotionally!) believed that he was there to protect/restore their jobs, when in reality he is just serving the interests of the moneyed powerful of this country-- that's why his famous "drain the swamp" promise just meant installing Goldman Sachs and other similar types into positions of power, and immediately setting about destroying every worker protection he could get his hands on. He has lied almost literally every time he opened his mouth in front of a microphone, if you go through and compare what he said to what he has actually done. And we warned you. And most Americans see it.

Only an emotionally-blinded right-wing fanatic of the same caliber could possible look at the actions of this man and claim he is keeping his word, or say that he is "making mistakes" when it is clear that he is following a very simple agenda that should have been obvious to you if you were not blinded by your emotions. This is not some game; there are real people whose lives are being devastated by the greed motive of this man and his cronies.

Saying "I voted for a non-politician" is akin to saying, "Don't blame me because the plane crashed; I just told a non-pilot to fly the plane. He just made a few mistakes."

(26-05-2017 06:34 AM)AB517 Wrote:  Well, unless you feel that its ok to steal money from people and give it to people that shoot it in their arms, don't parent, beat, rob, and steal from their community stores and economic resources.

Piss on all the free education, tax breaks, and all the other 100's of million of dollars given to them.

What the fuck are you talking about? Do you have evidence that this is a common occurrence? Because it sounds like you're just repeating Reagan-era "welfare queen" propaganda that has been roundly debunked, including very recently on this website. But then again, I'm not surprised; it seems that every conservative with whom I have this conversation cares more about building up straw men to attack (with emotional vigor!) than worrying about trivial little things like facts.


(26-05-2017 06:34 AM)AB517 Wrote:  liberals are lost in a fog of emotion caught in an adolescent brain. They don't understand that freedom is the limit of freedom. They don't understand that religion is far less dangerous to regular people than liberalism/socialism in most places ... we can do numbers of socialism vs religion, but that would kind of ruin this atheist party like a 500 lbs bomb at the center of a muslim anti-american rally.

Yes, you're definitely high. And apparently you've never actually met a liberal, other than the ones you hear described by your favorite propagandists, or the corporate-media-blasted examples of far-left extremists and radical SJWs who no more represent actual liberal thinking than the White Supremacists at Breitbart really represent normal conservatives.

But on to the meat of what you just said... What the hells does "religion is far less dangerous to regular people than liberalism/socialism in most places" mean? Are you referring to communism and various dictatorships of that sort, which have proven to be as terrible for the citizens as dictatorships of the capitalist kind do? Of course you are. You're too emotional about this and too uneducated about the concept (or rather, mis-educated), to pay attention to those pesky little facts, aren't you? You're going to dishonestly try to link liberalism and social democracy to Marxist/Leninist/Maoist radicalism because you don't even recognize the difference-- and, of course, you won't bother to take into account the massive success in helping out the average citizen's life and well being that has happened in apples-to-apples comparisons between hyper-capitalist First World nations (e.g. the USA) and ones that have balanced capitalism with democratic socialist programs, such as the Scandinavian countries, Australia, Canada, France, the UK, et cetera.

If you really want to "run the numbers", you would have to look at the ranking the USA gets, in comparison to our other First World countries, on pretty much every measure of national success, and you would discover that we are nearly dead last. Our system is good for one thing: keeping people placated long enough for the hyper-wealthy to engage in class warfare by shifting all the wealth up the pyramid to the top. It hurts a lot of people, here in this country in which we supposedly have "unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness, that to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed". And only by making emotional pleas about communists from a century ago can you try to claim that the system here is superior to anything.

You would also have to ignore the massive list of atrocities the US has committed in other places, even though our actual body count is lower, which cannot be attributed to secular social democracies. You certainly have to ignore all the millions of Americans who will be harmed, even killed, if the current leadership gets their way-- and as I have repeatedly pointed out, I am among those people.

I wonder sometimes if all the hyper-conservative position has is emotional tu quoque accusations, the projection of their own faults as (ir)rational thinkers onto those who actually bother to learn about history and are concerned about evidence based reasoning, and making outlandish claims about strawman opponents that don't even survive the barest scrutiny.

What baffles me, truly, is the sheer degree of arrogance with which people like you make these proclamations, and your amazing degree of resistance to learning when people like me actually bother to engage you and show that what you claim isn't true. I just made a post in another thread, a couple of days ago, showing that the claims you're making about "theft" and welfare are wholly unfounded. Do you care? Of course not.

You're too emotional about this.

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26-05-2017, 07:53 AM
RE: Is atheism prideful?
Not high, Rocket. Just a (very probably bigoted, by the looks of the droppings it keeps leaving in the homophobia death thread) maroon Facepalm

(22-04-2017 08:18 PM)AB517 Wrote:  Yeah I do, but I am not a liberal so I have only me to blame. I am atheists so there is only me too.

But yeah, liberals and fundy's blame anybody they can. Real or imagined.

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26-05-2017, 07:56 AM
RE: Is atheism prideful?
Does anyone who complains about "emotional liberals" see how emotional Trump gets? No, they just ignore it. Lmao.

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26-05-2017, 08:12 AM
RE: Is atheism prideful?
(26-05-2017 07:53 AM)Vera Wrote:  Not high, Rocket. Just a (very probably bigoted, by the looks of the droppings it keeps leaving in the homophobia death thread) maroon Facepalm

Well my first clue was about his imagined welfare recipient, who he thinks is best described by "people that shoot it in their arms, don't parent, beat, rob, and steal from their community stores and economic resources".

So a few facts:

1) 99.9% of welfare recipients are not on drugs of any kind.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/judystone/2...7fa02b59be

2) Black fathers actually spend about twice as much time with their children as white fathers do.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr071.pdf

3) The businesses in Ferguson, MO (the state in which I reside, and the city in which one of my best friends still lives), were not "community stores", but were part of a gentrification effort that was influencing the local government into using abusive police power to try to drive out black people and bring in more "business friendly" (read: wealthier, white) new residents to the area.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-d...n-missouri

Among the demands of people in the BLM movement that erupted into protests in Ferguson was this: "We demand decent housing fit for the shelter of human beings and an end to gentrification."

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arc...nt/400862/

If he was from this area, or cared enough to learn what was really going on, he'd already know what the problem was, there. Places like Missouri have a long history of using outside police forces to enforce the social agendas of investors and businesses onto the people who have lived in areas for generations, ruining human lives in the name of "progress".

But again, let's not let facts get in the way of a good story.

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26-05-2017, 08:30 AM
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Yeah, but why do they keep coming here, after they crawl out of their ignorant hateful woodworks.

Not that TTA cannot handle them. Drinking Beverage

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26-05-2017, 08:37 AM
RE: Is atheism prideful?
(26-05-2017 08:30 AM)Vera Wrote:  Yeah, but why do they keep coming here, after they crawl out of their ignorant hateful woodworks.

Not that TTA cannot handle them. Drinking Beverage

I wish we had some atheist conservatives here who weren't repeating racist asshole "alternative facts" every time I open one of their threads, only to complain that we hate them for being conservative. It's no different than the Christians who say demonstrably untrue stuff, ignore our demonstration that it's untrue, and then repeat the same thing-- then pretend we're hating them for their Christianity rather than their dishonesty and/or lack of intellectual integrity.

Edit: Well, that, and accusing us endlessly of false, strawman positions they then proceed to tear down and strut about like pigeons on a shit-covered chessboard.

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26-05-2017, 08:54 AM
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(26-05-2017 08:37 AM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  I wish we had some atheist conservatives here who weren't repeating racist asshole "alternative facts" every time I open one of their threads, only to complain that we hate them for being conservative.

But does such a mythical creature exist? Consider

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