Is belief in the unseen irrational?
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20-03-2016, 08:01 PM
(This post was last modified: 20-03-2016 08:10 PM by Agnostic Shane.)
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RE: Is belief in the unseen irrational?
(20-03-2016 07:46 PM)Peebothuhul Wrote:(20-03-2016 07:36 PM)Agnostic Shane Wrote: I am not gainfully employed. When something hot accidentally touches you do you rationalize it before you pull away? Have you ever made a decision against your better judgement? It's been "proven" that we make reflex decisions before we are even aware a decision in needed. Is it possible this also applies to rational decision making? Have a read: http://www.nature.com/news/2008/080411/f...8.751.html http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3746176/ |
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20-03-2016, 08:09 PM
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RE: Is belief in the unseen irrational?
(20-03-2016 05:06 PM)Agnostic Shane Wrote: Even if I did personally observe it I would only be certain something exists and I interacted with it, for the most part consciously. Yes. And, by any meaningful definition of "dog", the certain something that exists and that you interacted with was a dog. "An external reality exists, and objects within this external reality meet the definition of X, but these objects are not necessarily X" is not a coherent position. (20-03-2016 07:38 PM)Agnostic Shane Wrote: It's quite ppssible I was already a part of reality before I was able to perceive it. No, it isn't. Unless you are merely referring to your early existence as a zygote, which comes down to your definition of "you". In any other sense, you were not a part of reality before you could perceive it. You are just playing silly word games with loose definitions and pretending that it is a valid philosophical stance. I do not have much patience for word games. "Owl," said Rabbit shortly, "you and I have brains. The others have fluff. If there is any thinking to be done in this Forest - and when I say thinking I mean thinking - you and I must do it." - A. A. Milne, The House at Pooh Corner |
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20-03-2016, 08:17 PM
(This post was last modified: 20-03-2016 08:20 PM by Peebothuhul.)
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RE: Is belief in the unseen irrational?
(20-03-2016 08:01 PM)Agnostic Shane Wrote: When something hot accidentally touches you do you rationalize it before you pull away? ![]() Um.. do you even biology? (20-03-2016 08:01 PM)Agnostic Shane Wrote: Have you ever made a decision against your better judgement? Riiiiight.. and that there's been other information floating around in my thoughts/brain in regards to my decisions... Which are based on learning things previously about reality (Seen, unseen, tested and untested and MOST of all remembered) factors into your strange comment... how? (20-03-2016 08:01 PM)Agnostic Shane Wrote: It's been "proven" that we make reflex decisions before we are even aware a decision in needed. But.. you can't know this based on the things you've posted before. For such to be viable (In my reality) then you must have both (A) Read this and (B) Experienced this and then put both pieces of information together within your mind. Leaving aside all the babble you generally post about how you know what you know about what you're reading/looking at etc. (20-03-2016 08:01 PM)Agnostic Shane Wrote: Is it possible this also applies to rational decision making? ![]() Nerve/muscle control reflex and thought control reflex are two different things. You're conflating(?) Confusing(?) Mistaking(?) the two to make your.... strange point... ![]() EDIT: Whoah! I just noticed your switch there! THIS=> "It's been "proven" that we make reflex decisions..." In no way, shape or form resembles, THIS=> "When something hot accidentally touches you do you rationalize it before you pull away..." Not at all. ![]() (20-03-2016 08:01 PM)Agnostic Shane Wrote: Have a read: And again... we're slaloming off along a different conversation....... |
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20-03-2016, 08:26 PM
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RE: Is belief in the unseen irrational?
(20-03-2016 08:09 PM)Unbeliever Wrote:How do you know the world is not inverted? How do you know the color blue isn't really red? How do you know the universe isnt something much more complicated than what we think it is? How are you certain of what you perceive to be in a certain way actually exists in that same way you perceive it? Who gets the privilege to say what something exists as? Animals don't see the world as we do. We don't have a sample of dark matter but we know something exists out there.(20-03-2016 05:06 PM)Agnostic Shane Wrote: Even if I did personally observe it I would only be certain something exists and I interacted with it, for the most part consciously. What good reason should I believe in the existence of anything other than the belief that it exists based on my interaction with it? Why should I conclude a certain thing only exists in a certain way. Conclusions are not my thing. It is quite possible there are things that exist that we may never be able to prove exist. It is quite possible a Theist may experience something that I may never experience & is therefore justified in believing something exists that there is no physical evidence for. It is quite possible our belief system does not come due to our cognitive rationalization and awareness of the evidence, but rather an instinctive rationalization brought about by years of evolution and personal experiences. |
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20-03-2016, 08:27 PM
(This post was last modified: 20-03-2016 08:44 PM by Agnostic Shane.)
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RE: Is belief in the unseen irrational?
(20-03-2016 08:17 PM)Peebothuhul Wrote:I am not saying the same process is involved when making rational decisions, but I am not ruling out the possibility that could be. There is no confirmed evidence that we make rational decisions only after becoming aware of it. I could be wrong but I have never seen it.(20-03-2016 08:01 PM)Agnostic Shane Wrote: When something hot accidentally touches you do you rationalize it before you pull away? Did you miss the part where I made a distinction between instinctive rationalization and cognitive rationalization? Did you miss the part where I said cognitive rationalization could simply bean afterthought that helps the process of instinctive rationalization? It is quite possible our minds have both instinctive rationalization and cognitive rationalization to contend with when making decisions. It is also possible our instinctive rational overpowers cognitive rationalization in most instances, and in the few instances it doesn't, it still eats away at our mind. Did you even read the articles? They are very relevant to the points I just made. |
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20-03-2016, 08:35 PM
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RE: Is belief in the unseen irrational?
The boy stood on the burning deck
Picking his nose like mad, He rolled it into little balls And flicked it at his dad. NOTE: Member, Tomasia uses this site to slander other individuals. He then later proclaims it a joke, but not in public. I will call him a liar and a dog here and now. Banjo. |
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20-03-2016, 08:38 PM
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RE: Is belief in the unseen irrational?
(20-03-2016 08:35 PM)Banjo Wrote: The boy stood on the burning deckDuly noted, |
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20-03-2016, 08:43 PM
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RE: Is belief in the unseen irrational?
Note: And the reply to Unbeliever is exactly what I raised a few posts ago about Ag-Shane's world view... which they then slalomed away from.....
(20-03-2016 08:26 PM)Agnostic Shane Wrote: How do you know the world is not inverted? Inverted? Inverted how? Inverted to what? (20-03-2016 08:26 PM)Agnostic Shane Wrote: How do you know the color blue isn't really red? Really? REALLY? We're going to fall down the hole of 'What colour is an Orange in the dark'? ![]() (20-03-2016 08:26 PM)Agnostic Shane Wrote: How do you know the universe isn't something much more complicated than what we think it is? But... the universe/reality is more complicated than we think. That's why people do science. (20-03-2016 08:26 PM)Agnostic Shane Wrote: How are you certain of what you perceive to be in a certain way actually exists in that same way you perceive it? Because if it wasn't..... I'd possibly walk under a bus? See the post about 'reality' below... (20-03-2016 08:26 PM)Agnostic Shane Wrote: Who gets the privilege to say what something exists as? At a base level? Reality is the arbiter of what does and does not exist. Unless you're hovering at your desk.. and not other-wise sitting in a chair? ![]() (20-03-2016 08:26 PM)Agnostic Shane Wrote: Animals don't see the world as we do. Again... do you even biology? Yes, yes they actually DO see the world the way we see it (*Note: Caveat upon using visual organs to see If you bring up Nagel's "What it is to be a bat" I will be so vexed) It's the neurons, their amount, bundling etc which determines everything else. See the equivocation in the above? ![]() (20-03-2016 08:26 PM)Agnostic Shane Wrote: We don't have a sample of dark matter but we know something exists out there. No, we actually don't know about dark matter/energy. That's WHY it's called 'Dark what's its'..... (20-03-2016 08:26 PM)Agnostic Shane Wrote: What good reason should I believe in the existence of anything other than the belief that it exists based on my interaction with it? Again, see my previous post about simply surviving in a day in your reality. As in "How do you suffer going to seep at night"? (20-03-2016 08:26 PM)Agnostic Shane Wrote: Why should I conclude a certain thing only exists in a certain way. There's a really long series of Youtube clips and other reading about things like this. (20-03-2016 08:26 PM)Agnostic Shane Wrote: Conclusions are not my thing. HOW do you function within life? (20-03-2016 08:26 PM)Agnostic Shane Wrote: It is quite possible there are things that exist that we may never be able to prove exist. yes, yes there might be. I've actually posted something about this as well many posts ago..... (20-03-2016 08:26 PM)Agnostic Shane Wrote: It is quite possible a Theist may experience something that I may never experience & is therefore justified in believing something exists that there is no physical evidence for. No... just because some one has said they experienced something does not make it real. Come ON! We've been over this. (20-03-2016 08:26 PM)Agnostic Shane Wrote: It is quite possible our belief system does not come due to our cognitive rationalization and awareness of the evidence, but rather an instinctive rationalization brought about by years of evolution and personal experiences. These words above...? They make no sense... please re-post in a different format? |
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20-03-2016, 08:44 PM
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RE: Is belief in the unseen irrational?
NOTE: Member, Tomasia uses this site to slander other individuals. He then later proclaims it a joke, but not in public. I will call him a liar and a dog here and now. Banjo. |
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20-03-2016, 08:46 PM
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RE: Is belief in the unseen irrational?
(20-03-2016 08:44 PM)Banjo Wrote:Do you?(20-03-2016 08:38 PM)Agnostic Shane Wrote: Duly noted, |
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