Is belief in the unseen irrational?
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19-03-2016, 10:42 PM
RE: Is belief in the unseen irrational?
(19-03-2016 10:33 PM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  
(19-03-2016 10:04 PM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  There exists evidence for plenty of things 'unseen', if by 'unseen' you mean something that does not register within the visible light spectrum. You know, like the rest of the electromagnetic spectrum; such as microwaves, gamma rays, infrared, and radiation.
If I described seen as "emperical evidence" would that help you understand the question & give a more specific answer?
Is belief in things without emperical evidence irrational?

The evidence available for the very examples I cite is empirical, so what is your point?

The level of certainty in your beliefs should scale to the evidence. If your friend has proven to be very trustworthy, and they tell you something fairly mundane (they had corn flakes for breakfast), you can easily take them at face value. But if your friend tells you something happened that would require an abrogation of the natural laws as we currently understand them (they teleported themselves to the summit of Mount Everest and back using their mind)? I would need some damn good evidence, regardless of however trustworthy they had been in the past, because it is still far more probable that they are either lying or mistaken in their perception than that they actually managed to break physics with psychic powers.

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19-03-2016, 10:44 PM
RE: Is belief in the unseen irrational?
(19-03-2016 10:36 PM)Peebothuhul Wrote:  
(19-03-2016 10:33 PM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  If I described seen as "emperical evidence" would that help you understand the question & give a more specific answer?
Is belief in things without emperical evidence irrational?

Yes as well as no.
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19-03-2016, 10:44 PM
RE: Is belief in the unseen irrational?
(19-03-2016 09:34 PM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  My questions are almost always vague.

So then you can move the goal posts at your will?

I'm just asking questions trying to understand your [lack of] logic.

/thread.


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19-03-2016, 10:46 PM (This post was last modified: 19-03-2016 10:53 PM by Agnostic Shane.)
RE: Is belief in the unseen irrational?
(19-03-2016 10:44 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  
(19-03-2016 09:34 PM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  My questions are almost always vague.

So then you can move the goal posts at your will?

I'm just asking questions trying to understand your [lack of] logic.

/thread.
It's just questions. There are no assertions as yet.
How can I move a goal post that was never established?
Are questions sposed to have logic in them?
Can you find premise and conclusions in questions?
How does a question show logic?
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19-03-2016, 10:49 PM
RE: Is belief in the unseen irrational?
(19-03-2016 09:02 PM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  Is belief in the unseen irrational?

I have never seen you. For all I know you are a sock puppet.

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19-03-2016, 10:49 PM
RE: Is belief in the unseen irrational?
(19-03-2016 10:42 PM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  
(19-03-2016 10:33 PM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  If I described seen as "emperical evidence" would that help you understand the question & give a more specific answer?
Is belief in things without emperical evidence irrational?

The evidence available for the very examples I cite is empirical, so what is your point?

The level of certainty in your beliefs should scale to the evidence. If your friend has proven to be very trustworthy, and they tell you something fairly mundane (they had corn flakes for breakfast), you can easily take them at face value. But if your friend tells you something happened that would require an abrogation of the natural laws as we currently understand them (they teleported themselves to the summit of Mount Everest and back using their mind)? I would need some damn good evidence, regardless of however trustworthy they had been in the past, because it is still far more probable that they are either lying or mistaken in their perception than that they actually managed to break physics with psychic powers.
I have no points or conclusions as yet. Pretend I'm artificial intelligence trying to understand human logic.
Are you stating that belief in the existence of something is not always based on emperical evidence?
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19-03-2016, 10:50 PM
RE: Is belief in the unseen irrational?
(19-03-2016 10:49 PM)Banjo Wrote:  
(19-03-2016 09:02 PM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  Is belief in the unseen irrational?

I have never seen you. For all I know you are a sock puppet.
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19-03-2016, 10:51 PM
RE: Is belief in the unseen irrational?
(19-03-2016 10:46 PM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  
(19-03-2016 10:44 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  So then you can move the goal posts at your will?

I'm just asking questions trying to understand your [lack of] logic.

/thread.
How can I move a goal post that was never established?

Some here might think it's a regular thing you do?

How can you be so completely obtuse?

I'm not making an assertion. I'm just asking a question.


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19-03-2016, 10:54 PM
RE: Is belief in the unseen irrational?
(19-03-2016 10:51 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  
(19-03-2016 10:46 PM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  How can I move a goal post that was never established?

Some here might think it's a regular thing you do?

How can you be so completely obtuse?

I'm not making an assertion. I'm just asking a question.
Is this an answer or another question? Can we return to the topic?
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19-03-2016, 11:06 PM
RE: Is belief in the unseen irrational?
(19-03-2016 10:54 PM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  
(19-03-2016 10:51 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  Some here might think it's a regular thing you do?

How can you be so completely obtuse?

I'm not making an assertion. I'm just asking a question.
Is this an answer or another question? Can we return to the topic?

Why would you think that?

I make no assertions. I am only asking questions.

By your own admission, your topic is intentially vague, is this so you can draw out answers that will never satisfy you, so you can then move the goal posts?


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