Is belief in the unseen irrational?
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25-03-2016, 09:39 PM (This post was last modified: 25-03-2016 09:44 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: Is belief in the unseen irrational?
(25-03-2016 08:43 PM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  
(25-03-2016 08:37 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  You idiot.
You really don't know ANYTHING about sampling, controlls, probability or how science works.
Facepalm
Sampling is not a method of proving the existence of something.
Show me one example where sciences used sampling to prove the existence of something?
You are arguing that you can prove that the color blue exists by sampling. No where in science does it say sampling is used to prove the existence of something.

Never heard of 10-fold cross validation or leave-one-out have you skippy?

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25-03-2016, 09:44 PM (This post was last modified: 25-03-2016 09:47 PM by Agnostic Shane.)
RE: Is belief in the unseen irrational?
(25-03-2016 09:35 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Thanks for demonstrating you know nothing about Physics, girl friend.
http://www.popsci.com/article/technology...obel-prize
Blue is a "thing", (by definition).
Are you not seeing the word "blue led"?
The noun is the led. It is the subject and a thing.
Blue is the adjective. it is not a thing in the example you just gave.

Colors exist
Waves exist
Blue does not exist.

Why did this argument even get this far?
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25-03-2016, 09:49 PM
RE: Is belief in the unseen irrational?
Because you are an idiot.

A range in the light spectrum is a *thing*.
Blue is a range in the light spectrum.

It's really very simple.

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25-03-2016, 09:52 PM
RE: Is belief in the unseen irrational?
(25-03-2016 09:49 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Because you are an idiot.

Blue is also a noun, a verb, and an idiom.
A range in the light spectrum is a *thing*

range
[reynj]
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noun
1.
the extent to which or the limits between which variation is possible:
the range of steel prices; a wide range of styles.
2.
the extent or scope of the operation or action of something:
within range of vision.
3.
the distance to which a projectile is or may be sent by a weapon.
4.
the distance of the target from the weapon.
5.
an area equipped with targets for practice in shooting weapons:
a rifle range.
6.
an area used for flight-testing missiles.
7.
the distance of something to be located from some point of operation, as in sound ranging.

adjective
24.
working or grazing on a range:
range horses; range animals like steer and sheep.
verb (used with object), ranged, ranging.
25.
to draw up or arrange (persons or things) in rows or lines or in a specific position, company, or group:
The sergeant ranged the troops in columns of six across.
26.
to place or arrange systematically; set in order; dispose:
The members of the cast were ranged in their proper places on stage.
27.
to place in a particular class; classify:
They ranged themselves with the liberals.
28.
to make straight, level, or even, as lines of type.
29.
to pass over or through (an area or region) in all directions, as in exploring or searching:
They ranged the entire countryside.
30.
to pasture (cattle) on a range.
31.
to direct or train, as a telescope, upon an object.

verb (used without object), ranged, ranging.
34.
to vary within certain limits:
prices ranging from $5 to $10.
35.
to have a certain variety of things somehow related:
emotions ranging from smugness to despair.
36.
to move around or through a region in all directions, as people or animals.
37.
to rove, roam, or wander:
The talk ranged over a variety of subjects.
38.
to stretch out or extend in a line, as things:
shabby houses ranged along the road.
39.
to extend, run, or go in a certain direction:
a boundary ranging from east and west.
40.
to lie or extend in the same line or plane, as one thing with another or others.

Idioms
46.
in range, (of two or more objects observed from a vessel) located one directly behind the other.
You just attempted to prove blue exists by giving evidence that a range exists.
This would be like CotW proving that God exists by proving that the God particle exists.
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25-03-2016, 09:54 PM
RE: Is belief in the unseen irrational?
(25-03-2016 09:49 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Because you are an idiot.

A range in the light spectrum is a *thing*.
Blue is a range in the light spectrum.

It's really very simple.
Blue does not mean range & range does not mean blue.
Proving a range exists does not prove that blue exists.
For spaghetti monster's sake one is a noun and the other is an adjective.
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25-03-2016, 09:58 PM
RE: Is belief in the unseen irrational?
(25-03-2016 09:52 PM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  
(25-03-2016 09:49 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Because you are an idiot.

Blue is also a noun, a verb, and an idiom.
A range in the light spectrum is a *thing*

range
[reynj]
Spell Syllables
Synonyms Examples Word Origin
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noun
1.
the extent to which or the limits between which variation is possible:
the range of steel prices; a wide range of styles.
2.
the extent or scope of the operation or action of something:
within range of vision.
3.
the distance to which a projectile is or may be sent by a weapon.
4.
the distance of the target from the weapon.
5.
an area equipped with targets for practice in shooting weapons:
a rifle range.
6.
an area used for flight-testing missiles.
7.
the distance of something to be located from some point of operation, as in sound ranging.

adjective
24.
working or grazing on a range:
range horses; range animals like steer and sheep.
verb (used with object), ranged, ranging.
25.
to draw up or arrange (persons or things) in rows or lines or in a specific position, company, or group:
The sergeant ranged the troops in columns of six across.
26.
to place or arrange systematically; set in order; dispose:
The members of the cast were ranged in their proper places on stage.
27.
to place in a particular class; classify:
They ranged themselves with the liberals.
28.
to make straight, level, or even, as lines of type.
29.
to pass over or through (an area or region) in all directions, as in exploring or searching:
They ranged the entire countryside.
30.
to pasture (cattle) on a range.
31.
to direct or train, as a telescope, upon an object.

verb (used without object), ranged, ranging.
34.
to vary within certain limits:
prices ranging from $5 to $10.
35.
to have a certain variety of things somehow related:
emotions ranging from smugness to despair.
36.
to move around or through a region in all directions, as people or animals.
37.
to rove, roam, or wander:
The talk ranged over a variety of subjects.
38.
to stretch out or extend in a line, as things:
shabby houses ranged along the road.
39.
to extend, run, or go in a certain direction:
a boundary ranging from east and west.
40.
to lie or extend in the same line or plane, as one thing with another or others.

Idioms
46.
in range, (of two or more objects observed from a vessel) located one directly behind the other.
You just attempted to prove blue exists by giving evidence that a range exists.
This would be like CotW proving that God exists by proving that the God particle exists.

So ... now, should I "launch" into you looking in my "trash" Mr. Plagiarizer ?
Blue IS a range of light. That's not an adjective. It's a thing, idiot.
Blue IS a specific range of light, in Physics .... something YOU know nothing about.

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25-03-2016, 10:02 PM
RE: Is belief in the unseen irrational?
(25-03-2016 09:58 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(25-03-2016 09:52 PM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  You just attempted to prove blue exists by giving evidence that a range exists.
This would be like CotW proving that God exists by proving that the God particle exists.

So ... now, should I "launch" into you looking in my "trash" Mr. Plagiarizer ?
Blue IS a range of light. That's not an adjective. It's a thing, idiot.
Blue IS a specific range of light, in Physics .... something YOU know nothing about.
Tell you what.
Show me any authentic dictionary that says "blue is a noun" and I will call myself an idiot.
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25-03-2016, 10:04 PM
RE: Is belief in the unseen irrational?
(23-03-2016 09:12 PM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  
(23-03-2016 08:55 PM)TheGulegon Wrote:  Is belief in the currently unseen irrational?

No. I'm certain my younger brother is drinking a NOS, right now, though I can't see him doing it, because I know he's a NOS fiend!

Is belief in the never been seen irrational?

Yes!
I think your answer is the best answer anyone can give to this question I never asked, but wouldn't that require Omiscience on an objective level?

How can you possible arrive at the conclusion that something has "never been seen" unless you assumed this based on the limited amount of information presented to you in your life time?

Which of the following statements are you trying to say:
Never been seen by anyone/anything you know of
Or
Never been seen by anyone/anything inclusive and exclusive of what you know of

If the latter is what you are attempting to say then can you tell me how you came to that conclusion. If you haven't checked the observations of everything in the world yourself how are you able to make a claim on behalf of everything in the world. Such a claim although easily said would be totally dishonest right?

Conclusion:
If you believe in something that has never been witnessed by anyone with enough evidence in tow to prove they did, it is an irrational belief that you hold. To believe in it, or in the claims of others of it, without any concrete evidence to back up what they're claiming, is irrational.

Dishonest?
How so? I never said anything that hasn't ever been seen, cannot exist. Just that it's irrational to believe another's claim that it does without evidence.

I've never seen a black hole up close, but science tells me they're there, and science works every time I start my car....
They say they can see them through a really really really really big telescope that's been shot into space. Well I've used a small telescope to view craters on the moon, so if I had a bigger one...
And anybody can go down to Florida & watch NASA shoot things into space...
Sounds legit to me.

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25-03-2016, 10:06 PM (This post was last modified: 25-03-2016 10:12 PM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Is belief in the unseen irrational?
(25-03-2016 10:02 PM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  
(25-03-2016 09:58 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  So ... now, should I "launch" into you looking in my "trash" Mr. Plagiarizer ?
Blue IS a range of light. That's not an adjective. It's a thing, idiot.
Blue IS a specific range of light, in Physics .... something YOU know nothing about.
Tell you what.
Show me any authentic dictionary that says "blue is a noun" and I will call myself an idiot.

Get ready fool.


blue
[bloo]
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noun
1.
the pure color of a clear sky; the primary color between green and violet in the visible spectrum, an effect of light with a wavelength between 450 and 500 nm.
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/blue

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/def...glish/blue
NOUN

1Blue color or pigment:
she was dressed in blue
the dark blue of his eyes
armchairs in pastel blues and greens
More example sentences
1.1Blue clothes or material:
Susan wore blue
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1.2 (usually Blue) The Union army in the Civil War, or a member of that army.
Because Union soldiers wore blue uniforms
1.3 another term for bluing.
Example sentences
1.4A blue ball, piece, etc., in a game or sport.
Example sentences
1.5 (the blue) literary The sky or sea; the unknown:
a lark went trilling up, up into the blue







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25-03-2016, 10:25 PM
RE: Is belief in the unseen irrational?
(25-03-2016 10:06 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(25-03-2016 10:02 PM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  Tell you what.
Show me any authentic dictionary that says "blue is a noun" and I will call myself an idiot.

Get ready fool.


blue
[bloo]
Spell Syllables
Synonyms Examples Word Origin
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noun
1.
the pure color of a clear sky; the primary color between green and violet in the visible spectrum, an effect of light with a wavelength between 450 and 500 nm.
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/blue

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/def...glish/blue
NOUN

1Blue color or pigment:
she was dressed in blue
the dark blue of his eyes
armchairs in pastel blues and greens
More example sentences
1.1Blue clothes or material:
Susan wore blue
More example sentences
1.2 (usually Blue) The Union army in the Civil War, or a member of that army.
Because Union soldiers wore blue uniforms
1.3 another term for bluing.
Example sentences
1.4A blue ball, piece, etc., in a game or sport.
Example sentences
1.5 (the blue) literary The sky or sea; the unknown:
a lark went trilling up, up into the blue






I'm speaking about the color blue, not the word blue.
Ideas are also nouns but they don't exist in objective reality.
Words are also nouns but they don't exist in objective reality.
Only things can exist in objective reality

Still you did find it in the dictionary although totally out of context so:
"I'm an idiot" for not specifying the color blue
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