Is belief in the unseen irrational?
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20-03-2016, 07:35 AM
RE: Is belief in the unseen irrational?
(19-03-2016 10:49 PM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  I have no points or conclusions as yet. Pretend I'm artificial intelligence trying to understand human logic.

How about we pretend NO intelligence.
Then drop the "pretend".
Than add a dash of whining about a disability.
Bake.

That cooks up pretty much what we got here.
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20-03-2016, 07:36 AM
RE: Is belief in the unseen irrational?
(20-03-2016 06:13 AM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  What specific empirical evidence have you found to prove the existence of gravity?
Is this same method of proving Gravity exists not applicable to God's existence?

Empirical evidence to prove gravitational theory? Sure thing.

Is it really a theory, or only a hypothesis? A theory—in science, an explanation or model that covers a substantial group of occurrences in nature and has been confirmed by a substantial number of experiments and observations.

Is it accepted unequivocally by 100% of the current scientific community? Yes.

What's the "back-yarder" proof? Throw a ball vertically into the air. Is it attracted to the earth or the moon? Is it always attracted mainly to the earth?

Does that simple test satisfy the theory? Yes.

—Proving a theory requires observation, recording, contesting, and replication—none of which have ever been applied to the notion a god's existence.

Quote:Why do you assume my questions are assertions?
You consistently speak in rhetorical terms.

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20-03-2016, 07:49 AM
RE: Is belief in the unseen irrational?
(19-03-2016 09:38 PM)Peebothuhul Wrote:  At work.

(19-03-2016 09:34 PM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  My questions are almost always vague. I found it to be the best way to get the most answers. There is no point & no conclusion from my end.
Your answers will probably lead to more questions from me in the end, and I will probably never have a conclusion.

If you ask vague questions. .......... will you not, then, receive vague answers?

Consider

Seemed quite unvague to me. The US Army taught me many years ago how to interrogate people. A question designed to be answered with Yes or No is a closed end question. When first studying Spanish and starting to travel in countries where my English was not understood. I used Army techniques and would always ask Yes or No questions. Is the post office this direction? If the person was not playing games their yes or no answer helped me to narrow down my goal. Just where is the post office would get me several sentences of words none of which I understood. Is belief in the unseen irrational? is a simple yes or no question and not a vague question. Or probably a trick question is what you meant instead of vague.
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20-03-2016, 08:14 AM
RE: Is belief in the unseen irrational?
(20-03-2016 07:34 AM)ClydeLee Wrote:  
(20-03-2016 07:32 AM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  You may not be aware of my beliefs my friend so I will tell you now.
Please look at my signature. Even if I saw the pyramids personally I still would not be convinced that it existed outside of our perception of it.
Proof is an illusion & yet I maintain the fact that I may be wrong.

I only seek the logic behind everyone's statements. If I find flaw I point it out. I could be wrong and I am open to correction.

Would you like to know why I seek the logic behind everyone's statement?
What is seeing personally?
My apologies. I assumed you knew what that meant to me.

From google:

Personally:
per·son·al·ly/ˈpərs(ə)nəlē/
adverb
with the personal presence or action of the individual specified; in person.
from someone's personal standpoint or according to their particular nature; in a subjective rather than an objective way.


See:
verb
perceive with the eyes; discern visually.
discern or deduce mentally after reflection or from information; understand.
meet (someone one knows) socially or by chance.
escort or conduct (someone) to a specified place.
(in poker or brag) equal the bet of (an opponent).

To personally see something (for me) would be for me to be in direct contact with it for me to visually observe it.
This is the meaning I am trying to convey.
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20-03-2016, 08:16 AM
RE: Is belief in the unseen irrational?
(20-03-2016 07:49 AM)DerFish Wrote:  
(19-03-2016 09:38 PM)Peebothuhul Wrote:  At work.


If you ask vague questions. .......... will you not, then, receive vague answers?

Consider

Seemed quite unvague to me. The US Army taught me many years ago how to interrogate people. A question designed to be answered with Yes or No is a closed end question. When first studying Spanish and starting to travel in countries where my English was not understood. I used Army techniques and would always ask Yes or No questions. Is the post office this direction? If the person was not playing games their yes or no answer helped me to narrow down my goal. Just where is the post office would get me several sentences of words none of which I understood. Is belief in the unseen irrational? is a simple yes or no question and not a vague question. Or probably a trick question is what you meant instead of vague.
It is not my intention to interrogate anyone. Does this feel like an interrogation?
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20-03-2016, 08:20 AM (This post was last modified: 20-03-2016 08:28 AM by Agnostic Shane.)
RE: Is belief in the unseen irrational?
(20-03-2016 07:36 AM)SYZ Wrote:  
(20-03-2016 06:13 AM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  What specific empirical evidence have you found to prove the existence of gravity?
Is this same method of proving Gravity exists not applicable to God's existence?

Empirical evidence to prove gravitational theory? Sure thing.

Is it really a theory, or only a hypothesis? A theory—in science, an explanation or model that covers a substantial group of occurrences in nature and has been confirmed by a substantial number of experiments and observations.

Is it accepted unequivocally by 100% of the current scientific community? Yes.

What's the "back-yarder" proof? Throw a ball vertically into the air. Is it attracted to the earth or the moon? Is it always attracted mainly to the earth?

Does that simple test satisfy the theory? Yes.

—Proving a theory requires observation, recording, contesting, and replication—none of which have ever been applied to the notion a god's existence.

Quote:Why do you assume my questions are assertions?
You consistently speak in rhetorical terms.
If a theory becomes "proven" is it still a Theory or a Fact?
Is the concept of Gravity a Theory or a Fact?
Do you believe in both theories and facts?
Is the concept of God a Theory or Fact?
Do you believe in Gravity but not God?
What is the underlying difference in the approach you used to believe in either one?

My apologies for the long list. Please take your time to answer each question before moving on. I am not rushing you, nor do I wish to call you evasive.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity
http://thehappyscientist.com/science-exp...ory-or-law
http://adamkemp.newsvine.com/_news/2007/...t-a-theory
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20-03-2016, 08:27 AM
RE: Is belief in the unseen irrational?
(20-03-2016 08:14 AM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  
(20-03-2016 07:34 AM)ClydeLee Wrote:  What is seeing personally?
My apologies. I assumed you knew what that meant to me.

From google:

Personally:
per·son·al·ly/ˈpərs(ə)nəlē/
adverb
with the personal presence or action of the individual specified; in person.
from someone's personal standpoint or according to their particular nature; in a subjective rather than an objective way.


See:
verb
perceive with the eyes; discern visually.
discern or deduce mentally after reflection or from information; understand.
meet (someone one knows) socially or by chance.
escort or conduct (someone) to a specified place.
(in poker or brag) equal the bet of (an opponent).

To personally see something (for me) would be for me to be in direct contact with it for me to visually observe it.
This is the meaning I am trying to convey.

Yeah, but that doesn't finish the disconnection I'm having here. What is the direct contact? What makes something in this case direct vs indirect?

I could say I've seen the great pyramid of giza. You seem to think there is some visual barriers that I don't fully grasp the basis of. Perhaps it can be understood somehow.

"Allow there to be a spectrum in all that you see" - Neil Degrasse Tyson
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20-03-2016, 08:29 AM
RE: Is belief in the unseen irrational?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peekaboo
"A lack of Object Permanence can lead to A-not-B errors, where children reach for a thing at a place where it should not be."

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20-03-2016, 08:31 AM
RE: Is belief in the unseen irrational?
(20-03-2016 08:27 AM)ClydeLee Wrote:  
(20-03-2016 08:14 AM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  My apologies. I assumed you knew what that meant to me.

From google:

Personally:
per·son·al·ly/ˈpərs(ə)nəlē/
adverb
with the personal presence or action of the individual specified; in person.
from someone's personal standpoint or according to their particular nature; in a subjective rather than an objective way.


See:
verb
perceive with the eyes; discern visually.
discern or deduce mentally after reflection or from information; understand.
meet (someone one knows) socially or by chance.
escort or conduct (someone) to a specified place.
(in poker or brag) equal the bet of (an opponent).

To personally see something (for me) would be for me to be in direct contact with it for me to visually observe it.
This is the meaning I am trying to convey.

Yeah, but that doesn't finish the disconnection I'm having here. What is the direct contact? What makes something in this case direct vs indirect?

I could say I've seen the great pyramid of giza. You seem to think there is some visual barriers that I don't fully grasp the basis of. Perhaps it can be understood somehow.
Are you saying I have misinterpreted the meaning or personally?
What does "in person" mean to you based on the definition by google?
I assumed "direct contact" shares the same meaning as "in person". Is there a disconnect that I am unable too see?
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20-03-2016, 08:32 AM
RE: Is belief in the unseen irrational?
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