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31-01-2013, 04:24 AM (This post was last modified: 31-01-2013 04:29 AM by EvolutionKills.)
RE: Is believing a choice?
(30-01-2013 11:17 PM)Richard Stuckmeyer Wrote:  
(24-01-2013 06:05 PM)julie Wrote:  I was listening to Dogma Debate with David Smalley. His guest was Dr. Barry Creamer a Dallas preacher. It was said by Creamer that believing is a choice. I had never heard of this. I don't feel I chose to just become an atheist over choosing not to believe in Christ. If Christians just choose to have faith and become "Christians" this way, what does that mean? How can they then say they believe? As you can tell, I'm totally confused. Also is this why Christians seem to hate us so? They think we just chose to not follow their way? Thanks for any input.
DISCLAIMER: I am a Christian and anything I say is my belief, my opinion.
Having said that, I believe that choosing to have gaith in God is a choice based on what you have chosen to believe by various means. Whether it be reading, learning or revelation, something made you choose to believe. We feel that atheists choose not to believe, since we are both subjected to the same ..... cant think of the word so I'll say, stuff. We believe God put the knowledge of Him in our hearts before we were born and showed us the same evidences of His existence in the world around us. So, you see, the choosing based on various reasons is the reason for believing.

The reason many Christians hate atheists is because of the long history of atheists hating Christians, treating them unfairly, ridiculing them, flaming them, insulting them, etc,, etc., etc. Christians are mandated to spread the Gospel of Christ so that is what they do, it's called proselytizing. Jesus told us to do it but not to offer our truths to people that dont want them. Unfortunately, a lot of Christians dont follow that advice. That makes them wrong but does not make the proselytizing wrong. Muslim sharia law says that if you do it in a Muslim ruled nation the punishment is death. IN MY OPINION atheists would love to see that done here in the US (partially joking). Unfortunately, atheists hate that Christians proselytize because atheists hate Christians. Atheists had no problem with a Krishnas proselytizing in airports back in the 60s and 70s. Only Christians. Because (IN MY OPINION) atheists hate God and Christians. Investigate for yourself with Muslims, Hindus, Bhuddists, any other "religion", and find out if they are haunted by atheists. I have many Muslim internet friends and they tell me that such is not the case.


Yes, yes, yes. Remind me again of when atheists were in charge of everything and subjugated all of the faithful? Oh right, that never happened. But there was a time when the faithful controlled everything. They subjugated everyone and killed those with dissenting opinions, usually by burning at the stake. Do you know what name we use to refer to this time of history? That right, 'The Dark Ages'. A time when Christianity set back civilization for centuries. Had we not incurred the technological regression and cultural stagnation of the Dark Ages, Christopher Columbus wouldn't have landed in the Bahamas, we would have set foot on the moon.


The supreme irony here is that after centuries upon centuries of religious supported suppression, torture, and execution against non-believers; they now cry 'oppression' when non-believes simply assert that religious claims lack any evidence. When religion had the power, all means were justified by their ends. Now non-believers are trying to have civil conversations and discussion, but suddenly we're the assholes? Your level of ignorance is astounding.


Have you heard of the phrase "Hate the sin, love the sinner"? I think it's a bunch of hogwash, on the grounds that sin is a silly idea. But it does belie a point that I do agree with, but that requires rewording. If you can hate the sin, but love the sinner; then I can hate the belief, without hating the believer. It's ignorance that pisses me off, it just so happens religion tends to encourage and protect ignorance. That is why when I do get into disagreements with people, it usually over their dogma (religious or otherwise).

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Is believing a choice? - julie - 24-01-2013, 06:05 PM
RE: Is believing a choice? - evenheathen - 24-01-2013, 06:30 PM
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RE: Is believing a choice? - SingingBear - 26-01-2013, 03:52 AM
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