Is capitalism with -some- socialist policies most preferable?
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03-05-2016, 12:00 PM
RE: Is capitalism with -some- socialist policies most preferable?
I am always perplexed a bit by where people draw lines in what ideals and values they have of government roles. My other bothersome moments with real staunch libertarians is how arbitrary their distinctions are.

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03-05-2016, 05:53 PM
RE: Is capitalism with -some- socialist policies most preferable?
(03-05-2016 09:02 AM)Deesse23 Wrote:  
(03-05-2016 06:39 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  Health and education are the big two that should be free.
That doesn't mean it has to be public owned, you can have private hospitals and private schools etc.. but there needs to be free healthcare and education for all (so governments would basically pay your bill for you and it doesn't matter if the hospital is public or private owned). And it needs to be at a decent level.

This is exactly what we have here in germany for example.
We have basic public healthcare, founded by the society by deducing some % of your total salary. Half of the money is deduced form your paycheck, half is added by your employer (yay, unions have achieved this for us by fighting for us for over 100y). The public healthcare is good, there is nothing to deisre. Additionally you are free to invest in additional private healthcare. For exmaple: public healthcare covers 50% of all cost of dental surgery. You can however add a private insurance that covers up to 90-100.
In most hospitals you will be accepted with public insurance, a lot of them are related to univesities to provide education for their young doctors, but we also have the "high society hollywood VIP hospitals" where cash is king. Its entirely your choice.

Education is similar: Schools and univesities are owned and run by each state (federal system!) separately. Evey kid has access to a public school with no fees involved. Books etc. are also provided by the state (you give back most of em later, for use to your sucessors).

For university you have to pay some fees not thousands but rather hundreds of € per semester (when i studied in the 90s it was 100DM=50€ or so Tongue ). You are free to go to whatever university you want, yet for the better ones you need certain grades form high school, since the competition amongst the students for those university is rather big.

P.S.: Here we keep expressions like "socialist(ic)" for the real socialist ideas and persons. We consdier our form of mutual support by common taxes a "social welfare state". I support this idea, since there (imho) is a distinction between being social and socialistic, and i am missing this distinction a lot everytime i watch/hear about this topic from the US of A.

Here the tax payer picks up the bill it doesn't come out of my paycheck each fortnight. Well, I mean it does in the form of tax, but it would also come from me buying anything because I pay GST (goods and service tax, 15%) on everything I buy.


And yea I agree it's not about distribution of wealth. It's about keeping a healthy educated society from which everyone benefits. It's about growing all of society together rather than just a small group and hoping the rest can keep up.
And it is showing now that the European model (which covers Canada, Australia and NZ by colonial extension.) is better than the American model.

I really don't understand America's hate towards it. You think you couldn't be a plumber in Europe and not have the same standard of living?? Bitch please..

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04-05-2016, 05:02 PM
RE: Is capitalism with -some- socialist policies most preferable?
(03-05-2016 12:15 AM)Gilgamesh Wrote:  ('Some' being whatever you deem the 'right' amount) as opposed to, say, corporatism, socialism, or communism? Does anyone here believe that any socialist policies is too many?
I often think so but I'm open.
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