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10-03-2012, 05:31 AM
RE: Is human life sacred?
Wow!
Will no-one defend the sacred-osity-ness of human life?

Don't look at me, I'm not going to either.

We are / have been human-centric, tribe-centric, terrain-centric, geo-centric, helio-centric, milky-way-centric progressively over the span of our existence.

Who is putting money on us being universe-centric too?

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10-03-2012, 12:36 PM (This post was last modified: 10-03-2012 12:50 PM by Thomas.)
RE: Is human life sacred?
Great responses. All spoken like true atheists.

There has been a debate going on for some time regarding life being sacred without the need for a divine command ethical foundation. The religious are holding their ground that only God can declare things sacred, and because human life IS sacred, God MUST exist. Yea, pathetically weak theist argument once again, but many secular philosophers have argued for the sanctity of all life, including human, without God being necessary.

An article by Anat Biletzki, “The Sacred and the Humane” has caused a response from the religious.
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/201...he-humane/
http://onthehuman.org/2011/07/sacred-and-humane/

You can google “The Sacred and the Humane” to see all the counter argument to her position.

I’m exploring her argument for human rights (not agreeing or disagreeing) with respect to the debate on universal healthcare. I argue that we have to build everything back up from the basics on a humanist platform as she attempts to do. We can’t assume theists positions, such as life is sacred, and make philosophical arguments regarding any human rights at all. Once we dismiss God, we have to make our own arguments for moral and ethical positions. I have no opinion on life other than the obvious physical observations of cooperative cells in a bag of skin driven by genetic code. I’m challenging the universal healthcare proponents that they must establish these rights at the secular level.

If anyone has thoughts on this please fire away.

The old gods are dead, let's invent some new ones before something really bad happens.
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10-03-2012, 01:48 PM
RE: Is human life sacred?
Ok, I've held my tongue long enough. I really tried resisting derailing this thread because it is rather significant. However, I can keep my silence in check no longer.

No, human life is not sacred, but every sperm is!




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10-03-2012, 02:02 PM
RE: Is human life sacred?
Life itself isn't that much of a 'blessing' if it has no dignity.

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10-03-2012, 04:28 PM
RE: Is human life sacred?
(10-03-2012 01:48 PM)Erxomai Wrote:  Ok, I've held my tongue long enough. I really tried resisting derailing this thread because it is rather significant. However, I can keep my silence in check no longer.

No, human life is not sacred, but every sperm is!

How did I know that was coming?

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10-03-2012, 05:15 PM
RE: Is human life sacred?
have we defined "sacred" in a secular basis already? this is bugging me :/

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10-03-2012, 05:20 PM
RE: Is human life sacred?
(10-03-2012 04:28 PM)DLJ Wrote:  
(10-03-2012 01:48 PM)Erxomai Wrote:  Ok, I've held my tongue long enough. I really tried resisting derailing this thread because it is rather significant. However, I can keep my silence in check no longer.

No, human life is not sacred, but every sperm is!

How did I know that was coming?

That's what she said?

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10-03-2012, 05:27 PM
RE: Is human life sacred?
(10-03-2012 05:15 PM)nach_in Wrote:  have we defined "sacred" in a secular basis already? this is bugging me :/

I said, the 5th definition in my dictionary lists it as "regarded with reverence" All the other definitions are religious.
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10-03-2012, 08:42 PM
RE: Is human life sacred?
(10-03-2012 05:27 PM)ClydeLee Wrote:  
(10-03-2012 05:15 PM)nach_in Wrote:  have we defined "sacred" in a secular basis already? this is bugging me :/

I said, the 5th definition in my dictionary lists it as "regarded with reverence" All the other definitions are religious.

thank you Big Grin

I've searched "reverence" as to have a better idea of what we should understand from this concept, the oxford dictionary online says "deep respect for someone or something" I also searched for the word respect, there are three definitions but the first is the most appropriate: "a feeling of deep admiration for someone or something elicited by their abilities, qualities, or achievements"

So, is life worthy of deep deep admiration? I think so, life is really beautiful and complex not to be admired.

I think the word sacred has something more to it than just reverence, it has this connotation of something sacred as being untouchable, this I believe is the controversial aspect of that idea.

So, we must ask ourselves, is life too valuable to be interfered with? I think not in an absolute and extreme way, but I would rank it very high in the things to be valuable. There are very few reasons, in my opinion, to interfere with someone's life, but as I said before, not because of an essential characteristic of life, but because life is a prerequisite for the potentially beneficial deeds of the individual. There would be no science, art or any kind of positive input from any person if they were not alive.

In that way I think life could be considered as sacred, the only problem with this definition is that almost anything can be considered sacred in the same way as anything has the possibility to provide benefits to the environment (in a wide sense of the word) but I have no issue with expanding this respect towards nature in general because we are part of it, and reverencing nature (not in a religious way) is also reverencing ourselves as providers of meaning to the universe we're part of.

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10-03-2012, 09:32 PM
RE: Is human life sacred?
Why is everyone so annoyed with the word choice? Just answer the question.

Yes and no. Do I think everyone has the right to live? Of course. Do I think everyone is useful to society, smart, valuable, or wise? No, definitely not.

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