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09-03-2014, 09:00 AM
RE: Is it a waste of time debating creationist
(09-03-2014 08:40 AM)ThePaleolithicFreethinker Wrote:  
(09-03-2014 07:56 AM)donotwant Wrote:  What do you mean you can't get privacy?

I have two siblings and my mom and i dont want them hearing me.

And if they hear you what's gonna happen?
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09-03-2014, 09:08 AM
RE: Is it a waste of time debating creationist
(09-03-2014 09:00 AM)donotwant Wrote:  
(09-03-2014 08:40 AM)ThePaleolithicFreethinker Wrote:  I have two siblings and my mom and i dont want them hearing me.

And if they hear you what's gonna happen?

I they will ask questions.

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09-03-2014, 09:37 AM
RE: Is it a waste of time debating creationist
(09-03-2014 09:08 AM)ThePaleolithicFreethinker Wrote:  
(09-03-2014 09:00 AM)donotwant Wrote:  And if they hear you what's gonna happen?

I they will ask questions.

Tell them the truth.
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09-03-2014, 10:02 AM
RE: Is it a waste of time debating creationist
(09-03-2014 09:37 AM)donotwant Wrote:  
(09-03-2014 09:08 AM)ThePaleolithicFreethinker Wrote:  I they will ask questions.

Tell them the truth.

No they all say that creationism is BS but then they will bother me.

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09-03-2014, 10:05 AM
RE: Is it a waste of time debating creationist
(09-03-2014 10:02 AM)ThePaleolithicFreethinker Wrote:  
(09-03-2014 09:37 AM)donotwant Wrote:  Tell them the truth.

No they all say that creationism is BS but then they will bother me.

Why are you such a coward?
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09-03-2014, 10:13 AM
RE: Is it a waste of time debating creationist
(09-03-2014 10:05 AM)donotwant Wrote:  
(09-03-2014 10:02 AM)ThePaleolithicFreethinker Wrote:  No they all say that creationism is BS but then they will bother me.

Why are you such a coward?

Because I hate when people are in my business

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09-03-2014, 11:01 AM
RE: Is it a waste of time debating creationist
(09-03-2014 10:13 AM)ThePaleolithicFreethinker Wrote:  
(09-03-2014 10:05 AM)donotwant Wrote:  Why are you such a coward?

Because I hate when people are in my business

Then protect yourself. Tell them to fuck off.
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09-03-2014, 11:37 AM
RE: Is it a waste of time debating creationist
What leads you to assert that
it's immoral and destructive to society when inflicted on children?

How do you know
1) what is immoral?
2) it is immoral?
3) it is destructive?
4) it is an infliction?
5) children in particular are harmed?

(09-03-2014 12:15 AM)sporehux Wrote:  It's not amoral to let it go unchallenged like many suggest, it's immoral and destructive to society when inflicted on children.
You are the part that rests on the fence in the issue if you do.

Sometimes those who know the least, know the most.
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09-03-2014, 11:38 AM
RE: Is it a waste of time debating creationist
(09-03-2014 11:37 AM)Agnostic0000 Wrote:  What leads you to assert that
it's immoral and destructive to society when inflicted on children?

How do you know
1) what is immoral?
2) it is immoral?
3) it is destructive?
4) it is an infliction?
5) children in particular are harmed?

(09-03-2014 12:15 AM)sporehux Wrote:  It's not amoral to let it go unchallenged like many suggest, it's immoral and destructive to society when inflicted on children.
You are the part that rests on the fence in the issue if you do.

Are you talking about religion or just creationism?
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09-03-2014, 02:28 PM
RE: Is it a waste of time debating creationist
I also have mixed views on the topic of publicly debating creationists.

The problems were covered in one of the TTA podcasts a few weeks ago.
Essentially Rhetoric and charisma can dictate the success of the debate and not any real science.
I have seen this with debating publicly conspiracy theorists who are loud, vocal and charismatic (consider Alex Jones)

To reply with genuine science to each of the creationist claims takes hours of research (or much longer) and can be mundane and boring.
However the creationist can say a few charismatic words and change the whole debate profile.

However I have personally benefited from some of these debates - so for fence sitters the debate can be useful.

I think it also depends on what is debated. Sometimes the very fact a debate is required can discredit religious certainties - i.e your deity is up to debate presupposes there is doubt and potential for discrediting. Your not going to find public debates about the existence of God in a Mecca university !!!! You will be imprisoned and tortured on blasphemy and many other charges (listen to the TTA podcast on people leaving Islam ! )

A wise man proportions his belief to the evidence -
David Hume


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