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12-01-2012, 12:51 AM
Is it me or are they pulling it out of their respective asses.
I've been addicted to youtube lately watching the debates and videos on religion
and spirituality, until i stumbled upon a video with Sam Harris and Deepak Chopra...
You might know where this is going by now.

I understand English okay... i studied it rigorously all my life through school, high school
and my current college years, ive given this language a very high priority in my life
as it's an international language and the most popular 2nd language in the
world; i studied it so much that i dare say my English is better than my Arabic,
my native tongue. But when i listen to an asshat like Deepak Chopra i can not
understand anything he says, i understand the words he uses but it's not registering
with me on any level. It's like he strings on the most amount of
big words with vague meanings and context possible...
Xtian apologists do the same but not to the same extent... maybe.
Is this some kind of weird tactic they use, to confuse the listener with language
and when you call bullshit they give themselves a lot of room to wiggle out of it,
"oh you misunderstand by 'X' i meant 'Y' and that is why bla bla bla"

Whenever i hear Hitchens or Dawkins, or even outside the atheism topic, Neil
DeGrasse Tyson speak, they deliver their points without the linguistic
masturbation, "Humans evolved gradually and separated from a common
ancestor with chimpanzees...", Apart from being clear and to the point,
and not confusing the listener, i think they are also, knowingly or not,
challenging people to call bullshit, so they can either bombard them with
facts, or retract a certain statement or word that was misplaced.

Am i reading too much into this or am i on to something here?

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12-01-2012, 02:31 AM
RE: Is it me or are they pulling it out of their respective asses.
You are onto something. There is a saying that describes this phenomenon. "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit."

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12-01-2012, 03:29 AM
RE: Is it me or are they pulling it out of their respective asses.
Deepak Chopra is known for saying lots of large words that have no meaning in the way his sentences are formed.
He's confused people into thinking that he is intelligent when all they have been trying to do is decipher his english.

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12-01-2012, 06:09 AM
RE: Is it me or are they pulling it out of their respective asses.
Three words: William Lane Craig

This guy is scary brilliant and making bullshit sound scientific.

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12-01-2012, 06:40 AM
RE: Is it me or are they pulling it out of their respective asses.
I haven't much listened to Chopra because I have a low tolerance for New Age-y bullshit, but I think what he spews falls under the heading of psychobabble.

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12-01-2012, 07:16 AM
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Here is how one of Deepak's sentences is usually constructed: [Equiovaction] + (verb) + [Jargon] + {Bullshit} = (Jarquiovashit conclusion)

On a serious note, I find that many people try this type of speech obfuscation simply because they lack experience or because they know they are bullshitting, but do not want to admit it.
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12-01-2012, 07:27 AM
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(12-01-2012 06:09 AM)free2011 Wrote:  Three words: William Lane Craig

This guy is scary brilliant and making bullshit sound scientific.

Honestly of all the theists this guy is the worst in confusing me. I guess because I don't subscribe to philosophy. Once they turn on the philosophy I start to yawn and turn off any attention I have for them at all. I have always been that way. Probably why my christian mindset didn't stick very well. Smile

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12-01-2012, 07:41 AM
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Does anyone feel like hitting up one of them confession booths and pissing off priests with logic? XD
Or confessing to sins of the wierdo super creepy type xD
with some kind of tape recorder Tongue

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12-01-2012, 09:10 AM
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Well, I'm not going to sit here and defend Chopra because I know very little about the guy. He could very well be a tool. But I will comment on the use of language.

William Shakespeare wrote his plays 400 years ago and they're still studied and performed because he had such an incredible understanding of the human condition (he understood things hundreds of years before they were popularised, no joke) that his work is still relevant today. And I'll put money on the fact that if there are still humans here in 400 years, they'll still be reading Shakespeare. Shakespeare's language is remote and it takes some training to be able to grasp it even on a rudimentary level. But his use of language is part of the beauty and richness of his genius.

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12-01-2012, 09:15 AM
 
RE: Is it me or are they pulling it out of their respective asses.
Somewhat related, but i find Dinesh D'Souza to be similar in nature. "Speaks much but says nothing".

What i find intresting about Dinesh is he always appears to be smiling and speaking upbeat...but i detect a gritting and gnashing of the teeth and something sinister just below the surface.

I really got that from the Dan barker / Dinesh debate.

Dan is almost TOO relaxed and happy go lucky and Dinesh is ....well....like the antichrist!! HA!

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