Is it over for Bernie?
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21-04-2016, 01:50 PM
RE: Is it over for Bernie?
(20-04-2016 01:30 PM)Vosur Wrote:  The experts said that he absolutely needed to have a big win in New York to still have a shot at getting enough delegates to win the nomination, but what happened instead is that he suffered a devastating loss (lost by 16%) a few days ago.

What do you think - does he still have a chance at turning things around?

It's pretty much impossible. It was statistically extremely improbably before New York. He needed to win something like 57% of the delegates just to stay on target for winning (assuming he averages that many in all remaining states). Not to mention that number assumes that all superdelegates will flip to match the pledged delegates proportionately, which isn't to be necessarily expected.

So, with that not happening, he needs to win by probably more than twenty points in all remaining states (especially California), and have the superdelegates flip proportionately.

Bernie's campaign was a long shot from the beginning. He did a fantastic job doing better than anyone expected pretty much every step of the way. He broke records in terms of number of individual donations and donors, and even had a historic upset in Michigan (my home state Big Grin ). Probably his greatest accomplishment was to get people talking, and to force Hillary to run further to the left.

My hope is that other people will look at the successes he did have, and try to build off of that momentum. Change in US politics is typically abysmally slow, even when one person gets so many people excited.


(20-04-2016 02:05 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  
(20-04-2016 01:53 PM)morondog Wrote:  Even if his presidential campaign sinks he's done a good job. Established himself as a big player. If not this election, then the next, he'll be someone to watch.

The man is old. If Hillary wins the presidency she'll be the dem nominee for the 2020 election as well. Bernie could be dead by then. He'll be what, 80 in 2020?

Agreed. This is his one shot at the presidency.
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21-04-2016, 02:54 PM
RE: Is it over for Bernie?
Was it ever not almost impossible? We keep hoping, however.

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21-04-2016, 03:15 PM (This post was last modified: 21-04-2016 03:19 PM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Is it over for Bernie?
(21-04-2016 01:31 AM)DLJ Wrote:  
(20-04-2016 02:12 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  He's done.
He's had an impact on the national conversation. That's more than most thought he would do.
He resonated with the old "hippies" and idealistic young people who had no clue how things work.
He said he would break up the banks
The POTUS has no power to do that.

Oh dear. You do so disappoint me sometimes.

Please read what he actual said about how, and by whom, the financial institutions can be assessed and, if considered high enough risk, broken down.

Regarding "no clue how things work", that's probably what was said by a majority before any revolution (including the pre-independence US-colony pro-monarchists).

Watching you guys giving away your hard won political system so easily (given the sacrifices made to establish it) is heart-breaking.

It's not my job to keep you from being disappointed.
I have read what he said, and listened to a piece on NPR and PBS about it, and why it doesn't work the way he said it would.
http://www.npr.org/2016/04/19/474849162/...n-it-seems
No one is giving away anything.
You on the other hand, posted no references.

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21-04-2016, 03:30 PM
RE: Is it over for Bernie?
(20-04-2016 01:30 PM)Vosur Wrote:  ---
What do you think - does he still have a chance at turning things around?

Yes, he has a chance. Also, I have no doubt there are other plans in the making. Nothing is over until it's over. Shy

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21-04-2016, 04:40 PM
RE: Is it over for Bernie?
People said he never had a chance to begin with, and yet here he is.

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21-04-2016, 05:05 PM
RE: Is it over for Bernie?
(20-04-2016 01:53 PM)morondog Wrote:  Even if his presidential campaign sinks he's done a good job. Established himself as a big player. If not this election, then the next, he'll be someone to watch.

The next election? He'll be about 102. What are they going to do? Push him around in a wheel chair?

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21-04-2016, 05:09 PM
RE: Is it over for Bernie?
Quote:That does not include all of the superdelegates Clinton has, but they are able to switch sides if they wish.

This has been the big fiction of the Sanders camp for quite a while. Why on earth would democratic party officials suddenly turn en masse to support someone who is (still) not a democrat?

http://www.senate.gov/senators/contact/

Scroll down. He is still listed as an Independent. He wants to be Chairman of the Elks' Club without being an Elk!

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21-04-2016, 05:29 PM
RE: Is it over for Bernie?
(21-04-2016 05:09 PM)Minimalist Wrote:  
Quote:That does not include all of the superdelegates Clinton has, but they are able to switch sides if they wish.

This has been the big fiction of the Sanders camp for quite a while. Why on earth would democratic party officials suddenly turn en masse to support someone who is (still) not a democrat?

http://www.senate.gov/senators/contact/

Scroll down. He is still listed as an Independent. He wants to be Chairman of the Elks' Club without being an Elk!

Why on Earth... to win the political election of their country that's why on earth... if he did overtake Clinton in votes and delegates from votes, it would be a deathnail to a big outrage to stick with Clinton and destroy the parties chance to victory.

When parties have even gone to that brokered convention point, it generally shines negatively on their outcome.

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22-04-2016, 11:25 AM
RE: Is it over for Bernie?
It's almost tempting to just help Vote in Trump then just sit back and watch it all burn.... Sadcryface2

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27-04-2016, 07:09 AM
RE: Is it over for Bernie?
Results from last night:

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It's definitely over now. He needed to win every single one of those states with ~60%.

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