Is it time for you to become Anti-theist?
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09-12-2015, 10:44 AM
RE: Is it time for you to become Anti-theist?
(09-12-2015 10:11 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(09-12-2015 09:59 AM)WalkingSnake Wrote:  So any time someone sees harm being done and feels they need to do something about it they are... angry?

Are you defining anger differently than the popular definition? What's going on here?

I think people are inclined to feel angry, when they feel they or those who they care about are being harmed by others. And that same principle applies to imagined harms as well. Especially when they're drive to actively do something about it. Hell if I though Atheism was the root of terrorist attacks of my country, I'd be quite angry about Atheism, and those that want to spread it.

If you inclined to feel apathetic, you're unlikely to join the anti-theist chorus.

I'd wonder how many self identifying anti-theists, don't agree with the overall sentiment expressed here by Greta Christina: "http://gretachristina.typepad.com/greta_christinas_weblog/2007/10/atheists-and-an.html"

Demonstrating yet again, that you don't know what you're talking about as you continue to make baseless assertions that are driven by your inherent religious bias.

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09-12-2015, 11:30 AM
RE: Is it time for you to become Anti-theist?
(03-12-2015 09:04 AM)Toney Wrote:  With all the shootings and wars, isn't it you duty as a human to move from a passive Atheist to a Anti-theist?

Davis Silverman said this: "Some … people call me a (jerk) because I challenge the absurd notion that religion deserves respect by default. But religion is wrong for demanding respect simply for being, and even more wrong for demanding never to be questioned. Indeed, it is my duty as an American, as an atheist, and as a nice person to do what I can to take religion down — not by force, not by law, but by truth.”

And that truth, he writes, is simple: “all religions are lies, and all believers are victims.”

I believe that the human race will never survive religion.

I already am an anti-theist in many ways. I'm just not "militant" about it.

I feel people should be able to believe nonsense if they want as long as they don't expect or force others to live by their delusions. My anti-theism is for the religious that want to force others to accept their beliefs are gospel in public spaces. Our schools, government and publically funded spaces should be free from religious dogma and proselytization. Our laws should not be based in religion but in modern ethics and morality. To this extent I am anti-theist and politically active.

I'm also anti-theist when it comes to indoctrination of children. I feel they have a right not to be forced to accept the religion of their parents and guardians. The indoctrination of children is brainwashing with the active adult as an assimilator or even abuser. Religion should be labeled and restricted just like pornography "for adults only". Once a child reaches the age of maturity let them choose for themselves what they want to believe.

(On a side note, I also feel that children have the human right to complete sexual health information and full disclosure on their biological history (bio-parents regardless of adoption, insemination or rape, if available). But though it can be related to the religion issue, that is for a different thread.)

What consenting adult people do privately to get through the night, I do not care. What they coerce or force others to do is unacceptable.

As to this, "And that truth, he writes, is simple: “all religions are lies, and all believers are victims.” I disagree. There are a great many who use religion as a tool without really believing the myths. There are others who "choose" ignorance on purpose because it's comforting or easy. (It's my personal belief that the majority of believers fall into the class of "choose".) So there's a difference between being a believer and claiming beliefs. Claimers are not victims, they are perpetrators. Unfortunately they are also indistinguishable from the believers.

And lastly, your post of "I believe that the human race will never survive religion."

I absolutely disagree. We not only will survive religion, we have evidence that we are and have been doing it for all eternity. One of the biggest challenges to myths is truth and facts. As we have developed and grown as intelligent human beings we have been slicing away the fairytales and replacing them with truths, evidence, reason and logic. We have made great strides in the last 20 years and are actually on a seriously education roll right now. Technology and communication will not be denied.

Our day has come.

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09-12-2015, 12:19 PM
RE: Is it time for you to become Anti-theist?
(09-12-2015 11:30 AM)Heatheness Wrote:  I'm also anti-theist when it comes to indoctrination of children. I feel they have a right not to be forced to accept the religion of their parents and guardians. The indoctrination of children is brainwashing with the active adult as an assimilator or even abuser. Religion should be labeled and restricted just like pornography "for adults only". Once a child reaches the age of maturity let them choose for themselves what they want to believe.

If you deliberately expose your children to pornography, you risk having your children taken away. So I'm curious to how your views here correspond to policy initiatives. Would you promote the removal of children in religious homes, place them in the care of social services, for parents who refuse to cease exposing them to religion, who continue to take them to Sunday school and church, at a young age, the way we might a parent who takes their children to a strip club?

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09-12-2015, 12:19 PM
RE: Is it time for you to become Anti-theist?
(08-12-2015 09:55 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  Well, there isn’t a organization body, or doctrine of what anti-theism is, all that can be said about them, can be only be based on deriving it from folks who predominately present themselves as such.
Or you could spend 5 minutes searching online for a pretty common definition. Like this one:
Quote:Antitheism, also known pejoratively as "militant atheism" (despite having nothing to do with militancy) is the belief that theism and religion are harmful to society and people, and that even if theistic beliefs were true, they would be undesirable. Antitheism, which is often characterized as outspoken opposition to theism and religion, asserts that religious and especially theistic beliefs are harmful and should be discarded in favor of humanism, rationalism, science and other alternatives.
Antitheistic positions are often erroneously confused for (or strawmanned into) rallying for various persecutory conspiracies against the faithful, including "seeking out and destroying all religion", "wanting to make faith illegal", "forcing the religion of atheism onto everyone" (a suggestion that is not even wrong), and numerous other unfounded fears from the faithful and their apologists.
Again, you seem to want anti-theism to mean something else. I mean, c'mon. Should I define Christianity by the dudes yelling on street corners or making ridiculous youtube videos? Why should the most outspoken adherents to a belief be representative of them?

Quote:I’m not even too sure what your own anti-theism amounts to, other than nothing more so than a label for your distaste for organized religion. As to what that means in regards to your pro-active behavior, the sort of sentiment and policies you find yourself in support of, that seems all together absent.
See above definition of anti-theism for a good idea. Also, just as I am anti-theist, I am also pro-freedom of religion. So yes, I think religion is harmful to the individual and to society (even without extremism or outright violence), but I also think people should be free to believe what they will (to an extent).

Quote:To me if you wanna define yourself as anti-theists, it just means your throwing your hat in with public faces and views of the demographic. A demographic in our age which is disturbing for a variety of reasons.
Again, "Should I define Christianity by the dudes yelling on street corners or making ridiculous youtube videos? Why should the most outspoken adherents to a belief be representative of them?" For the record, I don't follow public atheist or anti-theist figures (except for Seth, but only kind of). So I don't know who you are talking about. I'm sure, just like with anybody, they will endorse some things I agree with and some things I don't.

(09-12-2015 09:06 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(08-12-2015 06:03 PM)WalkingSnake Wrote:  I don't have to be angry at religion to conclude that religion is harmful to society..
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Which makes sense right. I mean if you truly cared about society, things that harm it in significant or detrimental way should make you angry right? If it leave you apathetic you likely wouldn't be classify yourself as an anti-theist.
And that's like saying, "if you truly believed in the bible and in Jesus and in heaven and hell you would be out there aggressively proselytizing and never take no for an answer! After-all people's eternal souls are at stake!" There are levels of discontent. I'm discontent with the role of religion in society, but I'm not angry. I'm not yelling or irrationally lashing out at anybody. I simple recognize the problem. Anti-theism can really be simplified to that sentence right there. "Recognizing that religion is a problem." What a person does after that is up to the individual.

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09-12-2015, 12:20 PM
RE: Is it time for you to become Anti-theist?
Come to think of it my girlfriend is a theist who is anti-theist Consider

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09-12-2015, 12:30 PM
RE: Is it time for you to become Anti-theist?
(09-12-2015 12:20 PM)Adrianime Wrote:  Come to think of it my girlfriend is a theist who is anti-theist Consider

I can't believe I'm doing this, but it came to my mind... so is this guy, in this stuuupid video that's been on here several times when it was making the internet rounds.




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09-12-2015, 12:39 PM
RE: Is it time for you to become Anti-theist?
(09-12-2015 12:30 PM)ClydeLee Wrote:  
(09-12-2015 12:20 PM)Adrianime Wrote:  Come to think of it my girlfriend is a theist who is anti-theist Consider

I can't believe I'm doing this, but it came to my mind... so is this guy, in this stuuupid video that's been on here several times when it was making the internet rounds.



Can't watch this now, but I want to clarify that she doesn't follow any religion, including any type of person worship like Jesus. Nor does she worship a god. She just believes one "probably" exists.

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09-12-2015, 01:13 PM
RE: Is it time for you to become Anti-theist?
(09-12-2015 12:39 PM)Adrianime Wrote:  
(09-12-2015 12:30 PM)ClydeLee Wrote:  I can't believe I'm doing this, but it came to my mind... so is this guy, in this stuuupid video that's been on here several times when it was making the internet rounds.



Can't watch this now, but I want to clarify that she doesn't follow any religion, including any type of person worship like Jesus. Nor does she worship a god. She just believes one "probably" exists.

It's 'cos you keep chirping her every time she yells "Oh God Oh God Oh God". And you're like "Why... Do... You... Think... There... Is... A... God?"

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09-12-2015, 01:27 PM
RE: Is it time for you to become Anti-theist?
(09-12-2015 01:13 PM)morondog Wrote:  
(09-12-2015 12:39 PM)Adrianime Wrote:  Can't watch this now, but I want to clarify that she doesn't follow any religion, including any type of person worship like Jesus. Nor does she worship a god. She just believes one "probably" exists.

It's 'cos you keep chirping her every time she yells "Oh God Oh God Oh God". And you're like "Why... Do... You... Think... There... Is... A... God?"
Whenever she casually says god, I say, "Yes? Did you need something?"

Haha, actually only once in a while do I do that.

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09-12-2015, 07:01 PM
RE: Is it time for you to become Anti-theist?
(09-12-2015 09:56 AM)ClydeLee Wrote:  
(09-12-2015 09:06 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  And that's like saying I don't have to be angry at Frank to conclude that he's harming my child. The truth of the matter in such a situation is, that you're angry because you conclude, or believe that religion is harmful to society, even if you believe this falsely.

Which makes sense right. I mean if you truly cared about society, things that harm it in significant or detrimental way should make you angry right? If it leave you apathetic you likely wouldn't be classify yourself as an anti-theist.


Which would be an inversion of the same basic principle. "go ye into all the world and preach the gospel of unbelief, of atheism., to cure not sin, but the harm caused by being religious. " That de-Islamicization, de-christianization might be as important as de-Nazification.

That doesn't make sense at all, unless you have some unique connotation of Angry.

Thinking something is more harmful than helpful doesn't equate to anger. If you thought the particular school or teacher your kid had was inept & you want your kid out of it, it doesn't mean you're angry at the school.

(09-12-2015 08:03 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  To be clear; I don't want to be single in my belief and really am curious as to who else believes these things other than the Druze which I have trouble studying, and Bahia.

There's still over 5 million Bahia practitioners is there not? They say there are. There is actually a temple not too far from me.
I have no clue. Not sure if they would be welcoming or not. Just found out about them a few months ago. Haven't really researched them, just read/ reading the closest thing I could readily find as a scripture or core sacred book/ writings.
Curious though, wouldn't mind attending a service or what have you.
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