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17-02-2013, 05:22 PM
Is logic a panacea?
Logic is given enormous credence, as is the scientific method.

I have no problems with this, other than that the power of both are equated by some with the ethical advancement of society.

Has an evolution, based on chance, adaption, and will to survive, over, all these good many years, along with tribalism, the need to cooperate, enculturation, and those very latter day memes (somehow) reached a point of self observance, to the point of utilizing science and logic..

Science along with the logistics gave us Hiroshima and Nagasaki.....................
Have the memes and insights,some 70 years hence, placed us in a pleasing and promising position?

Forget the religions for a moment! Is where we are at,despite that, looking promising in The long term.

Will science, including sociology, economics,psychiatry, in all its forms, genetic engineering,space exploration, among the other varied and many sciences make for a better world, given our genesis, and the previously ultra slow evolutionary process?
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17-02-2013, 06:15 PM
RE: Is logic a panacea?
(17-02-2013 05:22 PM)Mr Woof Wrote:  Logic is given enormous credence, as is the scientific method.

I have no problems with this, other than that the power of both are equated by some with the ethical advancement of society.

Has an evolution, based on chance, adaption, and will to survive, over, all these good many years, along with tribalism, the need to cooperate, enculturation, and those very latter day memes (somehow) reached a point of self observance, to the point of utilizing science and logic..

Science along with the logistics gave us Hiroshima and Nagasaki.....................
Have the memes and insights,some 70 years hence, placed us in a pleasing and promising position?

Yes, science is simply a knowledge generating method. People can use that knowledge to promote suffering or alleviate it.

(17-02-2013 05:22 PM)Mr Woof Wrote:  Forget the religions for a moment! Is where we are at,despite that, looking promising in The long term.

Will science, including sociology, economics,psychiatry, in all its forms, genetic engineering,space exploration, among the other varied and many sciences make for a better world, given our genesis, and the previously ultra slow evolutionary process?

As it stands now it depends on how it's used.

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No logic isn't a cure all, just a tool.

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17-02-2013, 06:34 PM (This post was last modified: 17-02-2013 06:37 PM by PoolBoyG.)
RE: Is logic a panacea?
Other methods and processes like "math" and "language" have been used in every single horrific failing of humanity (in what you listed, and more). Can you see why a rational person wouldn't even think about "questioning" those methods and processes? "Science" is no different.
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17-02-2013, 06:35 PM
RE: Is logic a panacea?
(17-02-2013 06:15 PM)fstratzero Wrote:  
(17-02-2013 05:22 PM)Mr Woof Wrote:  Logic is given enormous credence, as is the scientific method.

I have no problems with this, other than that the power of both are equated by some with the ethical advancement of society.

Has an evolution, based on chance, adaption, and will to survive, over, all these good many years, along with tribalism, the need to cooperate, enculturation, and those very latter day memes (somehow) reached a point of self observance, to the point of utilizing science and logic..

Science along with the logistics gave us Hiroshima and Nagasaki.....................
Have the memes and insights,some 70 years hence, placed us in a pleasing and promising position?

Yes, science is simply a knowledge generating method. People can use that knowledge to promote suffering or alleviate it.

(17-02-2013 05:22 PM)Mr Woof Wrote:  Forget the religions for a moment! Is where we are at,despite that, looking promising in The long term.

Will science, including sociology, economics,psychiatry, in all its forms, genetic engineering,space exploration, among the other varied and many sciences make for a better world, given our genesis, and the previously ultra slow evolutionary process?

As it stands now it depends on how it's used.

Quote:Is logic a panacea?

No logic isn't a cure all, just a tool.
Now perhaps you might like to extrapolate on how the worst aspects of logic/science could be negated, in order that its very real potential values might be justified and used rather than exploited by the many who seem to be doing that, in all ideologies.

Is a real science of mind close and capable of both justifying itself and really benefiting this ultra messy world, we find ourlves a part thereto? Consider
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17-02-2013, 07:34 PM (This post was last modified: 17-02-2013 07:38 PM by fstratzero.)
RE: Is logic a panacea?
(17-02-2013 06:35 PM)Mr Woof Wrote:  Now perhaps you might like to extrapolate on how the worst aspects of logic/science could be negated, in order that its very real potential values might be justified and used rather than exploited by the many who seem to be doing that, in all ideologies.

Not really.

(17-02-2013 06:35 PM)Mr Woof Wrote:  Is a real science of mind close and capable of both justifying itself and really benefiting this ultra messy world, we find ourlves a part thereto? Consider

What are you talking about, neurology, psychology, sociology?

I googled "science of mind" and came up with Science of Mind, was established in 1927 by Ernest Holmes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_Science

Is that what you are talking about?

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17-02-2013, 07:38 PM
RE: Is logic a panacea?
Not any more so than the scientific method is a result. And not any less so than the scientific method is the way to gain knowledge of the world around us.
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17-02-2013, 07:39 PM
RE: Is logic a panacea?
(17-02-2013 07:34 PM)fstratzero Wrote:  What are you talking about, neurology, psychology, sociology?

I googled "science of mind" and came up with Science of Mind, was established in 1927 by Ernest Holmes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_Science

Is that what you are talking about?
The "science of mind" was mentioned in a "Pen & Teller: Bullshit!" episode I saw today. Go figure. Wink

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17-02-2013, 07:53 PM
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So we simply look to accrued knowledge of 'doing' and 'rationalizing' via 'logic' in order to discover how best to serve the world's best interests.

Sound as if vested interests could wreck any really worthy pursuits...........................
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17-02-2013, 07:56 PM (This post was last modified: 17-02-2013 08:00 PM by fstratzero.)
RE: Is logic a panacea?
(17-02-2013 07:53 PM)Mr Woof Wrote:  So we simply look to accrued knowledge of 'doing' and 'rationalizing' via 'logic' in order to discover how best to serve the world's best interests.

Sound as if vested interests could wreck any really worthy pursuits...........................
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And yes vested interests do wreck pursuits all the time.

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17-02-2013, 08:06 PM
RE: Is logic a panacea?
(17-02-2013 07:56 PM)fstratzero Wrote:  
(17-02-2013 07:53 PM)Mr Woof Wrote:  So we simply look to accrued knowledge of 'doing' and 'rationalizing' via 'logic' in order to discover how best to serve the world's best interests.

Sound as if vested interests could wreck any really worthy pursuits...........................
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And yes vested interests do wreck pursuits all the time.
Again you are doing your best to trivialize my considerations, with 'humour' appeal to specialists quoting other things, and not addressing my suppositions, in any serious way.
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