Is mono-theist religion a non-sexual version of BDSM?
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09-02-2014, 07:31 AM
Is mono-theist religion a non-sexual version of BDSM?
Or does BDSM exploit the same social and pack instincts as does organised religion?

For those who do not know, BDSM stands for:

Bondage & Discipline
Domination & Submission
Sado-Masochism

The Domination & submission is the main component of organised mono-theistic religion. Submission of the wife to the husband and their mutual submission to Jesus or God. A common theme in Christianity for example is total power exchange to Jesus. You are taught to open yourself so that he may enter into you and fill you with his love. It may not be the sticky kind but it's still supposed to give you joy.

People are taught to not think for themselves but to have faith and to accept. This is giving up personal control which is a core component of D/s power-play.

Mono-theists religions also seek to control your sexuality. So no masturbation or nudity, sex for reproduction only and for the Catholics, celibacy. Some people really get off on giving up control of when they can masturbate. Sex is one of the most powerful needs and so this allows for an strong power-exchange.

We can see bondage with the attention to modest attire. Tight collars, and dresses, heels and aprons for women. If you're always aware of how you are limited by your attire then it reminds you of why you are wearing it and reinforces your submission. Think of it as the equivalent of corsets, neck-braces and 7 inch stiletto court shoes for submissives. For example the opening scene in the film 'Secretary'.

Physical discipline is carried out by the religious far right on wives and children.

The sadism and masochism had me stumped for a moment until I remembered that Catholic nuns exist. They're probably the biggest bunch of sadists around. In terms of masochism, we've all heard about self flagellating monks but that's not too usual. On the other hand, no one ends up with as many masochistic kinks as someone who has been taught in a Catholic school. I have come across many such people with masochistic kinks, such as fantasies of being crucified or spanked.

A common feature in BDSM is fetishistic clothing. Rubber, PVC, leather, uniforms etc. Often the doms (or dommes for women) will be dressed elaborately whilst the subs wear minimal clothing. The fancy clothing is a sign of their dominance. You can see the same technique being used by the ordained members of the Catholic church. The lowliest priests wear a uniform whilst the higher echelons of the church regale in pomp and circumstance.

I've often wondered whether the indoctrinated do not fully appreciate the reasons why their religious lifestyle provides the enjoyment that it does.
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09-02-2014, 07:44 AM
RE: Is mono-theist religion a non-sexual version of BDSM?
Huh, I never thought about this angle. I would hazard that it does play into people's minds to some degree. And then there is the whole church pedophile sex scandal. The Catholics have been hit hard with that, but the Protestants have had their problems as well. Course, that comes with its own issues of dominance and control in a predatory, unsafe way.

Difference there's a lot of shame involved with the church and BDSM is given a bad rap thanks to the church.
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09-02-2014, 07:55 AM
RE: Is mono-theist religion a non-sexual version of BDSM?
One big difference between religion and BDSM is that most practitioners of BDSM don't get children involved in their kinky behavior.
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09-02-2014, 08:03 AM
RE: Is mono-theist religion a non-sexual version of BDSM?
(09-02-2014 07:31 AM)Mathilda Wrote:  ...
It may not be the sticky kind
...

... but there is plenty of that too!

I'm reminded of Stephen Fry's words regarding the Cafia:




But I have a problem now.

I have been thinking about religion as a form of addiction (hence the tantrums when one tries to take it away from an addict) and as a form of slavery.

I am against slavery but I have no problem with BDSM.

So have I got it wrong or is there a distinction?

I think perhaps that the difference is that BDSM is initially voluntary (until it becomes an addiction).

Religion is forced on the vulnerable before they are old enough to defend themselves i.e. not voluntary.

I guess those that choose religion in later life are not in the same category.

Either way... food for thought. Thanks.

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09-02-2014, 08:33 AM
RE: Is mono-theist religion a non-sexual version of BDSM?
I read quran and there is submission all over it. It says how you should dominate unbelievers and how god should dominate you. It's threesome.
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09-02-2014, 08:46 AM
RE: Is mono-theist religion a non-sexual version of BDSM?
BDSM exists for the consensual pleasure of all participants.



Answer's no.

It's Special Pleadings all the way down!


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You can't have your special pleading and eat it too. -- WillHop
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09-02-2014, 08:48 AM
RE: Is mono-theist religion a non-sexual version of BDSM?
(09-02-2014 08:46 AM)Taqiyya Mockingbird Wrote:  BDSM exists for the consensual pleasure of all participants.



Answer's no.

Exactly. There is clear difference between BDSM and SLAVERY.
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09-02-2014, 08:53 AM
RE: Is mono-theist religion a non-sexual version of BDSM?
I really like the conclusion of that video DLJ.

I think the key difference between BDSM and monotheistic religion is that the former live by the rule that everything has to be SSC.

SSC = Safe, Sane & Consensual

Is it safe?

e.g.

Is mummifying myself in industrial wrap clingfilm a safe thing to do? No, I will fall over and hit my head. What will make it safe? Answer: Have extra people on hand to help keep my balance and make sure that there is always a clear hole to breath, have a pair of sharp shears at the ready, a pre-agreed safe word and the assistants check throughout the process that I can always breathe and talk.

Is it safe to perform gay conversion therapy on someone trying to repress their sexuality? No. What will make it safe? Answer: Nothing.


Is it Sane?

Are you performing this act with the full knowledge and understanding of the consequences?

e.g.

Is it sane to spank someone? Yes, after the initial pain a session can create an endorphin rush commonly known as sub-space.

Is it sane to pray that a problem will be solved? No, there is no evidence to show that a sentient being is able to listen to your thoughts and has the ability to change a myriad of interactions in the universe so that what you want to happen will occur. Time and effort would be better spent trying to solve the original problem yourself.


Is it consensual?

Does the recipient consent? Often in BDSM contracts can be drawn up in advance so that there is no problems in understanding what people have consented to.

Believers are encouraged to proselytise to get new members to the church. These people have not given their consent to being approached with the intention of changing their world-view and eventually giving up 10% of their wages. And of course, children are legally unable to give consent.
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09-02-2014, 08:54 AM
RE: Is mono-theist religion a non-sexual version of BDSM?
You also forgot to mention that in BDSM you won't get thrown in hellfire if you refuse to participate Wink
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09-02-2014, 08:56 AM
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(09-02-2014 08:54 AM)donotwant Wrote:  You also forgot to mention that in BDSM you won't get thrown in hellfire if you refuse to participate Wink

You mean you won't get threatened with it of course Angel
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