Is religion a form of masturbation? (please bear with me, I am NOT a troll)
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06-04-2017, 05:52 AM
Is religion a form of masturbation? (please bear with me, I am NOT a troll)
The word "masturbation" is used here in a metaphorical sense. Like gardening is a form of agricultural "masturbation", having pets is a parental instincts "masturbation", sport is a kind of exertion "masturbation", fancy cooking is a form of gustatory "masturbation", music is auditory "masturbation", and so on.

Religion is a kind of credit masturbation. Religion is about faith, about trusting someone. Religion is to faith/trust (an ordinary kind of feeling we experience all the time in our daily lives) what masturbation is to ordinary sex.

We cannot live without masturbation. All kinds of masturbation. Our way of life is essentially unnatural and we cannot go back. It is this very unnaturalness which is the core of being human. In order to cope, we need to masturbate.

Faith/trust or "credit", as I prefer to call it, is a very complex kind of human mental feature. It encompasses a great many aspects of our lives and culture. And there also countless ways we can masturbate this mental feature of ours. Some have beneficial side effects, some have harmful ones. All religions are credit masturbation techniques. We can call them "credit porn". But there are many others. Like being a sports-team fan, or putting selfies on facebook, or being a snob and doing our best to attend ultra-select parties, and so on. Which ones are good, which ones are bad? That is the question.
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06-04-2017, 07:33 AM
RE: Is religion a form of masturbation? (please bear with me, I am NOT a troll)
(06-04-2017 05:52 AM)fi11222 Wrote:  The word "masturbation" is used here in a metaphorical sense. Like gardening is a form of agricultural "masturbation", having pets is a parental instincts "masturbation", sport is a kind of exertion "masturbation", fancy cooking is a form of gustatory "masturbation", music is auditory "masturbation", and so on.

Religion is a kind of credit masturbation. Religion is about faith, about trusting someone. Religion is to faith/trust (an ordinary kind of feeling we experience all the time in our daily lives) what masturbation is to ordinary sex.

We cannot live without masturbation. All kinds of masturbation. Our way of life is essentially unnatural and we cannot go back. It is this very unnaturalness which is the core of being human. In order to cope, we need to masturbate.

Faith/trust or "credit", as I prefer to call it, is a very complex kind of human mental feature. It encompasses a great many aspects of our lives and culture. And there also countless ways we can masturbate this mental feature of ours. Some have beneficial side effects, some have harmful ones. All religions are credit masturbation techniques. We can call them "credit porn". But there are many others. Like being a sports-team fan, or putting selfies on facebook, or being a snob and doing our best to attend ultra-select parties, and so on. Which ones are good, which ones are bad? That is the question.

> Believe it or not, I encountered a chucklehead on the Amazon Atheist Forum who claimed that his personal relationship with Jesus gave him as much pleasure as an orgasm. So, this guy, at least, confirms part of your hypothesis.
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06-04-2017, 07:38 AM
RE: Is religion a form of masturbation? (please bear with me, I am NOT a troll)
Yeah, if you can't whack off to god, you're in the wrong religion. Tongue

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06-04-2017, 07:43 AM
RE: Is religion a form of masturbation? (please bear with me, I am NOT a troll)
It's a relationship with yourself, so that sounds pretty much like masturbation.

I think it can be kind of like that, although probably not intentionally. I understand that people really do believe they're doing something other than talking to themselves and feeling placebo effects.

I think it can also be self-flagellation, when the mind is terrorising itself with the fear of retribution and damnation forever hanging over it.

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06-04-2017, 08:18 AM
RE: Is religion a form of masturbation? (please bear with me, I am NOT a troll)
Masturbation of all kinds fulfils a physical need, we are hardwired to want this thing.

So you think it's faith or trust that is an innate need?

I think it's pattern seeking. Our very intelligence is based on seeking patterns. Random events and things we do not understand (yet) escape our patterns, so we need to fill those gaps.

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06-04-2017, 08:19 AM
RE: Is religion a form of masturbation? (please bear with me, I am NOT a troll)
(06-04-2017 07:33 AM)Gwaithmir Wrote:  
(06-04-2017 05:52 AM)fi11222 Wrote:  The word "masturbation" is used here in a metaphorical sense. Like gardening is a form of agricultural "masturbation", having pets is a parental instincts "masturbation", sport is a kind of exertion "masturbation", fancy cooking is a form of gustatory "masturbation", music is auditory "masturbation", and so on.

Religion is a kind of credit masturbation. Religion is about faith, about trusting someone. Religion is to faith/trust (an ordinary kind of feeling we experience all the time in our daily lives) what masturbation is to ordinary sex.

We cannot live without masturbation. All kinds of masturbation. Our way of life is essentially unnatural and we cannot go back. It is this very unnaturalness which is the core of being human. In order to cope, we need to masturbate.

Faith/trust or "credit", as I prefer to call it, is a very complex kind of human mental feature. It encompasses a great many aspects of our lives and culture. And there also countless ways we can masturbate this mental feature of ours. Some have beneficial side effects, some have harmful ones. All religions are credit masturbation techniques. We can call them "credit porn". But there are many others. Like being a sports-team fan, or putting selfies on facebook, or being a snob and doing our best to attend ultra-select parties, and so on. Which ones are good, which ones are bad? That is the question.

> Believe it or not, I encountered a chucklehead on the Amazon Atheist Forum who claimed that his personal relationship with Jesus gave him as much pleasure as an orgasm. So, this guy, at least, confirms part of your hypothesis.
We have accounts of nuns who, when they escaped to rationality, stated that praying to Jesus hard enough would cause a orgasm. One ex-nun laughed and said she prayed A LOT. Tongue
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06-04-2017, 08:29 AM
RE: Is religion a form of masturbation? (please bear with me, I am NOT a troll)
Like masturbation, religion should be practiced in private and without forcing anyone else to participate.
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06-04-2017, 08:32 AM
RE: Is religion a form of masturbation? (please bear with me, I am NOT a troll)
(06-04-2017 08:29 AM)pablo Wrote:  Like masturbation, religion should be practiced in private and without forcing anyone else to participate.

Which is not to mean you can't send invitations. Big Grin
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06-04-2017, 08:36 AM
RE: Is religion a form of masturbation? (please bear with me, I am NOT a troll)
(06-04-2017 08:18 AM)Dom Wrote:  Masturbation of all kinds fulfils a physical need, we are hardwired to want this thing.

So you think it's faith or trust that is an innate need?
Yes.

When you are a cave man and go hunting large game, you need to know who you can trust to hunt with you. Trust is an essential behavioral trait in a species living in groups.

Later on, trust became even more important as language developped. If a guy tells you: "Go 100 paces down the river, then turn right and find the nearest oak tree. Behind it is a nice bush full of delicious berries", then you have to decide if you trust that guy. Are the berries truly delicious (not poisonous)? Will there be any berries if I follow his indications? As a in member of a language-driven species, we have to make hundreds of decisions like that every day.

As a result, our brain has developped a "trust processing engine", which, like everything in our brain, is wired to our pleasure centers in order to encourage the most survivable kinds of behaviors regarding trust handling (not perfect of course but by and large, it works). As anything wired to pleasure triggers, this trust-engine of ours can be masturbated i.e. stimulated in order to produce the expected pleasure response. Religious practices very largely belong to that kind of stimulation.

Btw, thanks to Gwaithmir and Gawdzilla for your examples. They are perfect.
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06-04-2017, 08:37 AM
RE: Is religion a form of masturbation? (please bear with me, I am NOT a troll)
Well, you DO get a rush of endorphins when in the zone (like when singing hymns and believing the holy spirit was *ehem* entering you).

Ignorance is not to be ignored.

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