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04-07-2014, 03:31 PM
Is science in the United States getting worst?
I am wondering if it is. I found these so far.

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and...tives.html

http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/tab...131209.pdf

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/21...81487.html

These are supposed to indicate that science is falling in america.

However america spends the most money on science research

So what does this mean? A country the tries its best to stay on top in science has a population that is slowly beginning to distrust science.

Any opinions?

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04-07-2014, 03:59 PM
RE: Is science in the United States getting worst?
(04-07-2014 03:31 PM)Metazoa Zeke Wrote:  I am wondering if it is. I found these so far.

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and...tives.html

http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/tab...131209.pdf

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/21...81487.html

These are supposed to indicate that science is falling in america.

However america spends the most money on science research

So what does this mean? A country the tries its best to stay on top in science has a population that is slowly beginning to distrust science.

Any opinions?

Grammar certainly is.

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04-07-2014, 04:10 PM
RE: Is science in the United States getting worst?
(04-07-2014 03:59 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  
(04-07-2014 03:31 PM)Metazoa Zeke Wrote:  I am wondering if it is. I found these so far.

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and...tives.html

http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/tab...131209.pdf

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/21...81487.html

These are supposed to indicate that science is falling in america.

However america spends the most money on science research

So what does this mean? A country the tries its best to stay on top in science has a population that is slowly beginning to distrust science.

Any opinions?

Grammar certainly is.

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04-07-2014, 04:18 PM
RE: Is science in the United States getting worst?
The last two show that trust in science being unbiased is somewhat waning. And I can't blame then on that. There have been faulty studies funded by private companies and the government which were clearly bias. So some skepticism is practical.

As to the first, these are the southern states. We OWN stupid.
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04-07-2014, 04:22 PM
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(04-07-2014 04:18 PM)natachan Wrote:  The last two show that trust in science being unbiased is somewhat waning. And I can't blame then on that. There have been faulty studies funded by private companies and the government which were clearly bias. So some skepticism is practical.

As to the first, these are the southern states. We OWN stupid.

Yeah but the south has some sort of influence, less we separate like we did in the civil war based on a few issues. It is good to see people being skeptical though instead of not trusting science at all. I find this to be a good thing.

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04-07-2014, 04:24 PM (This post was last modified: 04-07-2014 05:08 PM by Mathilda.)
RE: Is science in the United States getting worst?
I think culture has a large effect. And a culture is something that needs to grow over time. For example Britain has since the industrial revolution punched above its weight in terms of scientific output and innovation and over the last few decades this has been slowly eroded away by politicians cutting funding to universities, bringing in targets and making academia business focused. They don't understand that they are damaging something very precious that has taken centuries to build up.

Unlike Britain, engineers are valued in Germany. In Britain people think of engineers as being the equivalent of technicians. German engineering is world renowned. I haven't ever been to Japan but I can bet you that their technical success will be down to some aspect of their culture as well. The strength of American culture seems to be the ability to recognise and exploit new ideas and turn a profit. A skill sorely lacking in Britain for example. But at the same time this profit driven culture is probably hurting America in developing one that appreciates science.

If America tries to buy in the talent then when the funding dries up the scientists will go back to where they came from as opposed to sticking around waiting for more opportunities or creating their own. It takes generations to develop a culture.
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04-07-2014, 04:28 PM
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(04-07-2014 04:24 PM)Mathilda Wrote:  I think culture has a large effect. And a culture is something that needs to grow over time. For example Britain has since the industrial revolution punched above its weight in terms of scientific output and innovation and over the last few decades this has been slowly eroded away by politicians cutting funding to universities, bringing in targets and making academia business focused. They don't understand that they are damaging something very precious that has taken centuries to build up.

Unlike Britain, engineers are valued in Germany. In Britain people think of engineers as being the equivelent of technicians. German engineering is world renowned. I haven't ever been to Japan but I can bet you that their technical success will be down to some aspect of their culture as well. The strength of American culture seems to be the ability to recognise and exploit new ideas and turn a profit. A skill sorely lacking in Britain for example. But at the same time this profit driven culture is probably hurting America in developing one that appreciates science.

If America tries to buy in the talent then when the funding dries up the scientists will go back to where they came from as opposed to sticking around waiting for more opportunities or creating their own. It takes generations to develop a culture.

A very well put statement. Oh and on Japan the population is falling but interest in science is rising apparently

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04-07-2014, 08:51 PM
RE: Is science in the United States getting worst?
(04-07-2014 03:31 PM)Metazoa Zeke Wrote:  I am wondering if it is. I found these so far.

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and...tives.html

http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/tab...131209.pdf

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/21...81487.html

These are supposed to indicate that science is falling in america.

However america spends the most money on science research

So what does this mean? A country the tries its best to stay on top in science has a population that is slowly beginning to distrust science.

Any opinions?

I do indeed have an opinion, Metzoa, and it is that Americans distrust or deny
things because of popular culture, whether it be this website I recently found in my religious research: http://www.focusonthefamily.com/ or even more atheist websites like this one: http://vactruth.com/ . Like I said on the other thread, the Dunning-Krueger effect will be the end of science in America, first it seemed like it was only conservatives, and now frighteningly liberals too.

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