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19-06-2016, 08:46 AM
RE: Is that some kind of lie?
Going through these one by one...

(18-06-2016 10:47 PM)rosechaos Wrote:  The Last Hour will not come unless there is much bloodshed.227

The history of humanity is rife with people killing people. When has there ever been a time when bloodshed was not occurring somewhere in the world? This is like having an "end-times-coming" alarm that is always going off, and has been always going off since the moment it was installed over a dozen centuries ago. You ignore it like you ignore an overvigilent car alarm that goes off every time the wind drops a leaf on the hood.

(18-06-2016 10:47 PM)rosechaos Wrote:  Near the establishment of the Hour there will be much Al-Harj, and Al-Harj means killing…228

Again, overzealous car alarm. There's never been a time in history when there wasn't a lot of killing.

(18-06-2016 10:47 PM)rosechaos Wrote:  The day of Judgment will not come until people openly deny Allah.229

This has been happening since Islam began. And before it too.

(18-06-2016 10:47 PM)rosechaos Wrote:  Great cities will be ruined, and it will be as if they had not existed the day before.230

So.... this isn't Hiroshima or Nagasaki, they weren't completely destroyed and left significant ruins. Same for almost any bombed out city. The closest I can think of to anything like this would be.... Pompeii, which got buried in ash completely? Except we've done archaeological excavations at Pompeii, so it's NOT like it hadn't existed, because there's evidence and all. This is an alarm which hasn't gone off ever.

(18-06-2016 10:47 PM)rosechaos Wrote:  Gains will be shared out only among the rich, with no benefit to the poor.231

The cynic in me wants to say that this has always been happening, but that's not quite true. It's the majority of what happens, but we always find exceptions to it where some of the rich share some of what they own with the poor. That's the case today as well -- lots of greed, but a few bright spots of charity. Again, I don't think this alarm bell's ever gone off.

(18-06-2016 10:47 PM)rosechaos Wrote:  People will indulge in homosexuality and lesbianism.232

They always have. It's just how badly they get treated by society that's changing.

(18-06-2016 10:47 PM)rosechaos Wrote:  There will be prevalence of open illegal intercourse.233

There always has been. But there's less of it now (per capita), because less of it is illegal.

(18-06-2016 10:47 PM)rosechaos Wrote:  The Hour (Last Day) will not be established until murders will increase.234

The number of murders has always been increasing because the world population has been increasing, even if the murder rate per-capita has been going down.

(18-06-2016 10:47 PM)rosechaos Wrote:  Pity poor Taliqan (a region in Afghanistan) that at that place are treasures of Allah, but these are not of gold and silver but consist of people who have recognised Allah as they should have.235

.... this is a prophesy? Huh?

(18-06-2016 10:47 PM)rosechaos Wrote:  There is an indication in the hadith that Afghanistan will be occupied during the end times. The Russian invasion of Afghanistan took place in 1979, or 1400 according to the Hijri calendar. In other words, it coincided with the start of the fourteenth century under the Hijri calendar.

Aghanistan has been invaded and occupied SOO many times. No one succeeds in conquering it. .... unless you're the Mongols.

(18-06-2016 10:47 PM)rosechaos Wrote:  It (Euphrates) will uncover a mountain of gold (under it).236

Pretty sure surveyors would have spotted a mother lode like that by now. And no, it's not all of the world's mined gold being dumped into the Euphrates or something like that. All the mined gold we have, put together, would be less than 4 olympic-sized swimming pools, which is a small hill at best. So we'd need a teleporting mother-lode bigger than anything we've ever found. .... let me know when that happens.

(18-06-2016 10:47 PM)rosechaos Wrote:  Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold, so whoever will be present at that time should not take anything of it.237

When that happens, it will make news.

(18-06-2016 10:47 PM)rosechaos Wrote:  The rebuilding of the ruined places in the world, and the ruination of constructed places are signs and portents of Doomsday.238

Again, when has this not happened?

(18-06-2016 10:47 PM)rosechaos Wrote:  There are two signs of our Mahdi; ...and those signs are that moon will eclipse in the first night of its fixed nights of eclipse and sun will be eclipsed in the middle of the fixed days for its eclipse, during the month of Ramadhan.239

Eclipses are the result of (pretty-much) Newtonian motion and can be predicted accurately centuries in advance. We average between 2 and 2.5 solar eclipses per year, though they're often not complete eclipses. We get about the same number of lunar eclipses. Since orbital geometry means that there's only two times of the year when we can get eclipses (near the equinoxes), it's not surprising that they fall in the same month. The only question here is where Ramadan falls on the calendar and what counts as the fixed nights and days for the eclipse. Ramadan will coincide with one of these equinoxes roughly one year out of six, though this correlation will run in stretches of about thirty years. Ignoring the part about fixed nights and fixed days because I can't tell what it means, I'd guess this prophesy gets fulfilled at least four times per century.

(18-06-2016 10:47 PM)rosechaos Wrote:  There will be two eclipses of the sun in Ramadan before the Mahdi emerges.240

Orbital mechanics make two different full solar eclipses flatly impossible in the same month. Two partial eclipses.... MAYBE. But if you want a two full eclipses, well, everyone will find out pretty quickly if the moon changes significantly in its orbit.

(18-06-2016 10:47 PM)rosechaos Wrote:  There will be two eclipses of the Moon in Ramadan...241

In the same month? It happens. Lunar ecclipses are easier than solar eclipses, because the occluding object (Earth) is larger.

(18-06-2016 10:47 PM)rosechaos Wrote:  The common points emerging from the above three hadiths are:
1. There will be solar and lunar eclipses during the month of Ramadan.
2. These will be spaced about 14-15 days apart.
3. The eclipses will be repeated twice.
In line with those calculations, there was a lunar eclipse in 1981 (Hijri 1401), on the 15th day of Ramadan, and a solar eclipse on the 29th day of the month. There was a "second" lunar eclipse in 1982 (Hijri 1402) on the 14th day of Ramadan, and a solar eclipse on the 28th day of the month.

Oh, OKAY. Same month, two different years. Yeah, that's much more likely.

Anyhow, 34 years later, we're still here.

(18-06-2016 10:47 PM)rosechaos Wrote:  It is also particularly significant that in that particular instance, there was a full lunar eclipse in the middle of the month of Ramadan, a most striking prophecy.

Or, you know, around the equinox, when eclipses normally happen.

(18-06-2016 10:47 PM)rosechaos Wrote:  Before he comes, a comet spreading light will come from the East.242

Comets don't come from the east. They come from the outer solar system. Whether the outer solar system is to the east depends on where on the Earth you are standing and changes twice per day.

Also, this prophesy would be fulfilled more than once per century, and there's nothing here saying it has to be fulfilled at even roughly the same time as the rest of it.

(18-06-2016 10:47 PM)rosechaos Wrote:  The birth of that star will follow the eclipse of the Sun and Moon.243

Comets are not stars.

(18-06-2016 10:47 PM)rosechaos Wrote:  A tailed star will be born from the East and spread its light. Its daily direction will be from East to West.244

Like half of all comets.

(18-06-2016 10:47 PM)rosechaos Wrote:  - In 1986 (Hijri 1406), in other words at the start of the 14th century, Halley's comet passed by the Earth. The comet is a bright, shining star.
- It travels from East to West
- This happened after the lunar and solar eclipses of 1981 and 1982 (1401-1402)

Just like it does every 86 years. And it missed those eclipses by 4-5 years. And, frankly, we'd expect to see that sort of thing coincide every few centuries anyway, especially if it doesn't have to be Halley's comet in particular.

... also, comets are not stars.

(18-06-2016 10:47 PM)rosechaos Wrote:  People will go on the hajj with no imam at their head. When they descend to Mina, the tribes will savage each other like dogs and there will be great wars. To such an extent that feet will be covered in a lake of blood.245

A fire will appear in the sky from the East and a redness will cover the sky for three or seven days in a row.246
A fire will enfold you. That fire is currently extinguished in the valley called Berehut. People will be enfolded in that fire with terrible suffering. That fire will burn and destroy people and belongings. For eight days it will rage over the world like wind and cloud. The heat of night will be fiercer than that of day. That fire will stretch from the heads of man to the highest heavens, and there will be a terrible noise like thunder between the earth and sky, he said.247

- The burning oil in Kuwait led to the deaths of people and animals. According to experts, half a million tons of oil went up into the atmosphere as smoke. Every day, more than 10,000 tons of soot, sulphur, carbon-dioxide and large quantities of hydrocarbons with their carcinogenic properties hang suspended over the Gulf. It is not just the Gulf, but the world itself that is burning.248
- Two wells that were set alight produced as much oil as Turkey does in one day, and the smoke from them can be seen from Saudi Arabia, 55 kilometres away.249
- Continuing news of disaster from the Gulf: Hundreds of oil wells set alight in Kuwait are still burning fiercely. Experts say it will be "exceedingly difficult to put those fires out," and it is said that the fires will affect a wide area from Turkey to India for the next 10 years.
The fire and smoke coming from the wells constantly pollute the atmosphere. Daytime resembles night in Kuwait. The brown smoke that rises together with the flames remind one of the sky as the autumn turns into winter … It will take at least a century for Kuwait to be completely habitable again. The smoke that rises with the flames is visible from miles away, totally blocking out the sky and making the country unfit to live in. The wealthy are abandoning Kuwait.250

He (The Mahdi) will not come until there is a portent from the Sun.251

The solar eclipse of August 11, 1999 was the last of the century. During this eclipse, the likes of which take place only every 400 years, the sun, the moon and the world align. It was the first time that so many people had been able to watch and study an eclipse for so long a duration. Below are some newspaper headlines regarding the phenomenon. This can be interpreted as the "portent from the Sun" referred to in the hadith. (Allah knows best, of course).

Before the Hour comes, there will be a tribulation like patches of dark night...252

The word "tribulation (fitna)" implies anything that turns peoples' reason and hearts away from the true path, or war, incitement, chaos, disorder and conflict. The tribulation in the hadith will leave smoke and dust behind it, we learn.
Furthermore, the way that tribulation is described as "darkness" in the hadith, can be seen as an indication that its origins are unclear, that it is unexpected. Looking at it from that regard, it is probable that the hadith is referring to the world's worst terrorist attack, on the cities of New York and Washington in the United States on September 11, 2001.

The inhabitants of Egypt and Sham would kill their ruler and his commands…253

The people of Sham will take prisoner the tribes of Egypt.254

Today, the states in the region in question include Israel. That is why the hadith could be pointing to the war between the State of Israel and Egypt, and the invasion of Egyptian territory.
The Hour (Last Day) will not be established until ... earthquakes will be very frequent.255

There are two great events before the day of Judgment ... and then years of earthquakes.256

Okay, skimming this over. Warfare and irrationality are common and another one of those perpetual-car-alarm things. Same with earthquakes... there isn't a year where multiple earthquakes don't happen somewhere. "Portent of the sun" could mean almost anything -- yes, that eclipse is one thing it could mean, but it could also be a flock of birds flying in front of the sun. And again, there's rarely a year when a widespread fire doesn't happen SOMEWHERE.

With the mountain of gold being discovered in the Euphrates (which hasn't happened, yet, and probably won't, especially since modern things like ground penetrating radar would have spotted it), all of these things are fairly regular occurrences, especially when phrased in ways that can be interpreted pretty broadly.
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19-06-2016, 06:33 PM
RE: Is that some kind of lie?
Alright then. But when he said females number will increase and there be like 1 male for every 50 females and it's already happening it freaked me out. Muslims always try to prove shit about these stuff. Claiming " how a guy can't even write or read know all these stuff."
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19-06-2016, 06:39 PM
RE: Is that some kind of lie?
(19-06-2016 06:33 PM)rosechaos Wrote:  Alright then. But when he said females number will increase and there be like 1 male for every 50 females and it's already happening it freaked me out.

No it's not, where in the fuck are you getting statistical data to show that female to male population is trending towards 50 to 1?

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19-06-2016, 06:43 PM
RE: Is that some kind of lie?
Who knows it might really increase with years. Check out fuckin' wiki about sex ratio. Most of countries has females more than males especislly the U.S , Russia and canada
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19-06-2016, 06:59 PM
RE: Is that some kind of lie?
(19-06-2016 06:43 PM)rosechaos Wrote:  Who knows it might really increase with years.
You just claimed it's already happening. I asked you were you are getting statistical data to showing a trend of a female to male increase of 50 to 1 and your answer is... "who knows, maybe it will"?

I'm starting to figure out why you find that dumb Muslim shit convincing.

(19-06-2016 06:43 PM)rosechaos Wrote:  Check out fuckin' wiki about sex ratio.
K.
Sex ratio by country for total population. Blue represents more women, red more men than the world average of 1.01 males/female.

Like most sexual species, the sex ratio in humans is approximately 1:1. The sex ratio at birth worldwide is commonly thought to be 107 boys to 100 girls,[2] although this value is subject to debate in the scientific community. The sex ratio for the entire world population is 101 males to 100 females.


Now you mind telling me what the fuck you are talking about or are you just taking those countries with more females and ignoring all the ones that don't.


(19-06-2016 06:43 PM)rosechaos Wrote:  Most of countries has females more than males especislly the U.S , Russia and canada
No most don't.

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19-06-2016, 07:05 PM
RE: Is that some kind of lie?
OP is a Muslim with a program, not an "honest inquirer."
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19-06-2016, 07:28 PM
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(19-06-2016 07:05 PM)Gawdzilla Wrote:  OP is a Muslim with a program, not an "honest inquirer."

That, or he/she is getting fed info from a pack of liars.
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19-06-2016, 07:30 PM
RE: Is that some kind of lie?
What i meant that females are increasing as that dude muhamad said.
After war this has a huge chance to be achieved.
And lol yup most of countries has females more than males. Checkout europe. As well
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19-06-2016, 07:42 PM (This post was last modified: 19-06-2016 08:07 PM by Full Circle.)
RE: Is that some kind of lie?
(19-06-2016 06:33 PM)rosechaos Wrote:  Alright then. But when he said females number will increase and there be like 1 male for every 50 females and it's already happening it freaked me out. Muslims always try to prove shit about these stuff. Claiming " how a guy can't even write or read know all these stuff."

Enough pretending.

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You are an Islamic apologist with a horrible command of the English language. I would bet you are from the Middle East, between the age of 17 and 22 and male. You think yourself intelligent and that somehow this ridiculous ruse will fool us. No.

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19-06-2016, 07:43 PM
RE: Is that some kind of lie?
(19-06-2016 07:30 PM)rosechaos Wrote:  What i meant that females are increasing as that dude muhamad said.
After war this has a huge chance to be achieved.
And lol yup most of countries has females more than males. Checkout europe. As well

Worldwide average of 1% more. Easily accounted for by higher male death rates from, say, warfare or being teenage boys in a world with cars. Not particularly surprising and not particularly remarkable.

The prediction is 900% more if you're citing 10:1 (which would be incredible), or 4900% more if you're citing 50:1 (which would be incredible-squared). You're at 1%. When the disparity increases to, say, even 2 women for every 1 man? THEN I'll be impressed. Right now you're looking at a grain of sand and calling it a mountain.
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