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13-07-2012, 05:19 AM
RE: Is there any credability to this?
(13-07-2012 05:09 AM)Logica Humano Wrote:  
(13-07-2012 02:08 AM)Filox Wrote:  Have you all forgotten that a week ago Higgs boson was confirmed? Since we now know what gives us mass, we can explore all the aspects of this boson and the mechanics that it uses, as well as it's fields and energies. Why wouldn't we be able to influence these fields of energy and those mechanics in the future? If we can manipulate our mass, this whole talk begins to sound more reasonable.

Also, this Star Trek warp field, and the bending of space around us sounds pretty incredible and not-possible NOW, but give it another 50, 100 years and who knows what we will discover? Could it be possible in some sense? Why not, just think of all the things that were absolutely impossible to think about 100 years ago, and look at all the iPhones and Space Stations we have today...

We can not seriously talk about this subject, but there are some theoretical equations that support FTL travel. There are some who deny the possibility. Wait and see, I say.

Trust in Gene Roddenberry!
Everything in this thread as stated something along the lines of "with conventional methods" or "with current knowledge", but thanks for clearing that up. Additionally, what does the Higgs Boson have to do with reducing the matter of an object? It took us ages to find that thing, I am not going to be overly optimistic here and say, "Oh, well, we found it and now, since we did, this weekend we will fly to Neptune in 30 seconds."
Oh no if look at the video (where he goes into details on how FTL might be accomplished) he clearly states that in order for it to work we would need more recurses then could be found on Earth.
Also in another program they said that the energy requirements needed (in order to fold and expand space time) would match that of our sun.

So flying of to the outer solar system heck even leaving it, most DEFIANTLY isn´t something that will happen any time soon.
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13-07-2012, 07:24 AM
RE: Is there any credability to this?
(13-07-2012 02:08 AM)Filox Wrote:  Have you all forgotten that a week ago Higgs boson was confirmed?

Fucking Filox... we got a new toy! Let's fuck with it!

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13-07-2012, 08:33 AM
RE: Is there any credability to this?
You dare denounce the scientific nature of star trek? Have you no cell phone? A lot of advances in science nowadays come from people who as kids had these dreams of making sci fi real. While the concepts might change some, the films really do spark advances. Those crazy people thinking up stuff in their head are the kind of out of the box thinkers innovation needs. All we need is for the right information to come along.

I'm not a non believer, I believe in the possibility of anything. I just don't let the actuality of something be determined by a 3rd party.
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13-07-2012, 10:41 AM
RE: Is there any credability to this?
(13-07-2012 08:33 AM)Lilith Pride Wrote:  You dare denounce the scientific nature of star trek? Have you no cell phone? A lot of advances in science nowadays come from people who as kids had these dreams of making sci fi real. While the concepts might change some, the films really do spark advances. Those crazy people thinking up stuff in their head are the kind of out of the box thinkers innovation needs. All we need is for the right information to come along.
Star Trek may inspire some creativity, but being confined to reality is not necessarily a bad thing. FTL won't be possible for humanity unless we are able to master deep space exploration beforehand. We'd need more resources than is conceivable at this moment. Instead of dreaming about FTL, perhaps we need to work to make more realistic sciences first. Such as a manned interplanetary vessel, or a space station with artificial gravity.

Unless we find the Mass Effect, or a Prothean Beacon on Mars, FTL is not even close to an actuality.

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13-07-2012, 11:25 AM
RE: Is there any credability to this?
(13-07-2012 10:41 AM)Logica Humano Wrote:  Instead of dreaming about FTL, perhaps we need to work to make more realistic sciences first.

What's this we stuff? Tongue

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13-07-2012, 11:33 AM
RE: Is there any credability to this?
(13-07-2012 11:25 AM)houseofcantor Wrote:  
(13-07-2012 10:41 AM)Logica Humano Wrote:  Instead of dreaming about FTL, perhaps we need to work to make more realistic sciences first.

What's this we stuff? Tongue
It's the 'royal we'. Drinking Beverage

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13-07-2012, 01:02 PM
RE: Is there any credability to this?
Michio Kaku is the physicist that never says no.

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13-07-2012, 08:10 PM
RE: Is there any credability to this?
With the Higgs boson now under the microscope (I know, I know, don’t be pedantic) if we can separate the effect it has on mater then FTL should be achievable as there would be no mass.
So all we need to do is build an “anti mass” generator where the Higgs is nullified and then twist the throttle.
Might be easer to just fold space and lurch sideways to cover the distance though?
Remember even many times faster than light the rest of the galaxy is still along way away!
100 light years @ 3 times light is still 33+ years.

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14-07-2012, 07:20 AM
RE: Is there any credability to this?
(13-07-2012 11:25 AM)houseofcantor Wrote:  
(13-07-2012 10:41 AM)Logica Humano Wrote:  Instead of dreaming about FTL, perhaps we need to work to make more realistic sciences first.

What's this we stuff? Tongue
I am sorry. I just assumed that the majority of people on here would want to think rationally and attempt to think of science as a series of stepping stones.

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14-07-2012, 09:39 AM
RE: Is there any credability to this?
Based on current knowledge, massless particles travel -at- the speed of light - not faster than light.
The Higgs discovery /may/ open up new avenues to explore, especially if we can start to get a handle on the relationship between the quantum and relativity. It's that knowledge that might allow forms of warp drive to be devised.
Without some kind of warp or wormhole relativity does not allow for ftl. If you accelerate a train to a hair less than light speed then walk down the carriage that's accounted for by the fact that from a stationary observer's perspective time on the train has effectively stopped. You won't reach the end of the carriage faster than light from the observer's perspective.
Time, length, and mass all dilate as relative velocity increases. Now it seems confirmed that those effects relate to the nature if this Higgs field. Interesting times may lie ahead.

Give me your argument in the form of a published paper, and then we can start to talk.
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