Is there anything in the bible that is falsifiable
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21-01-2017, 07:44 PM
RE: Is there anything in the bible that is falsifiable
The question makes no sense. You can't falsify "a book." You can falsify very very specific claims made in that book, like "plants exist" or "snakes can talk to humans."

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21-01-2017, 07:44 PM
RE: Is there anything in the bible that is falsifiable
I mean isn't evolution evidence against christianity
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21-01-2017, 07:45 PM
RE: Is there anything in the bible that is falsifiable
(21-01-2017 07:44 PM)Ask21771 Wrote:  I mean isn't evolution evidence against christianity

No.

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21-01-2017, 07:46 PM
RE: Is there anything in the bible that is falsifiable
How can it not be
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21-01-2017, 07:46 PM
RE: Is there anything in the bible that is falsifiable
Genesis chapter 30's tale of Jacob and Laban's Flocks is a classic tale of an idea known as Lamarckism, or environmental plasticity. In short, people (until Gregor Mendel discovered genetics) used to think that the reason animals were suited to their environments is that they acquired characteristics during their lifetimes that "bent" their form to better fit the environment, which was then passed on to offspring... or the offspring themselves were "shaped" to better fit the new environment because of what the parent experienced.

Clever Jacob fleeces his boss Laban (if you'll pardon the pun) by getting Laban to agree to give Jacob every speckled or spotted sheep as payment for his shepherding, while Laban kept the all-white ones. Then Jacob cuts strips of the darker bark of poplar branches so the white inner wood is showing, separates the strongest members of the herd, and places those branches in front of the watering troughs when the stronger sheep came to drink... and mate. When the weaker sheep came to drink/mate, he took the branches away. Thus, the stronger sheep gave speckled/spotted offspring, and clever Jacob became rich enough to become one of the founding Patriarchs of the Israelites.

Except that's not remotely how it works. Not even close. There's no question that the writers of the story (like everyone else at the time) believed in a now-disproved idea about inheritance and environmental contributions to adaptations.

The reality is that the variation is random, and the environment simply kills off or reduces the breeding ability of anything that isn't well-suited to its environment. There is no possible way the Jacob/Laban story is true.

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21-01-2017, 07:46 PM
RE: Is there anything in the bible that is falsifiable
(21-01-2017 07:44 PM)Ask21771 Wrote:  I mean isn't evolution evidence against christianity

That depends on who you ask. People can customize definitions of words to suit their own needs. That's just how language works, lol.

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21-01-2017, 07:48 PM
RE: Is there anything in the bible that is falsifiable
Evolution is not evidence against Christianity because evolution isn't a theological position. Lots of evolutionary biologists are Christians.

It is against the literal story of Adam & Eve in the Garden as the "origin of all life" tale, but not all Christians think of it as a literal tale. Evangelicals, however, tend to place fairly heavy emphasis on the Fall of Man story, and claim that if Adam's Fall was a metaphor and not a real person/event, then there's no reason for Jesus to have been sent to save us from Original Sin.

In that sense, only, it's against Christianity. Most Christians are smarter than that... except, apparently, in the United States.

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21-01-2017, 07:48 PM
RE: Is there anything in the bible that is falsifiable
That depends on what you're willing to accept in your testing.

If you allow Divine intervention then anything becomes possible and nothing is falsifiable. You could have been created moments ago with all your memories and all of history one grand fabrication. Hardly very useful as a philosophy.

If you exclude Divine intervention then large tracts of Genesis, and the bulk of the Bible, have to be viewed as parable, myth or nonsense. Creation ex nihilo is tricky without it and the Biblical Flood fails all basic tests under a literal interpretation. Just for a start. Never mind details like the talking snake and the magic Fruit of Knowledge.

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21-01-2017, 07:53 PM
RE: Is there anything in the bible that is falsifiable
(21-01-2017 07:22 PM)Ask21771 Wrote:  Please help me

I wouldn't focus on any one holy book or holy writing of antiquity. None of the holy writings in the world are science textbooks, they are simply books or writings a society buys into.

You can find theologians and apologists in EVERY religion worldwide that try to retrofit their writings or book to science. I have been at this for 16 years on line and have had, not only Christians, but also Jews and Muslims and Hindus and Buddhists and even once a Rastafarian argue their hero's books writings match science.

A theologian is a sales person. An apologist is a sales person. They are not neutral scientists like geologists, archeologits or academic historians. Neutral objective scientist or academics merely report their observations, they don't try to sell you a product. Just like a ethical journalist, not that there are many left, will tell you what you need to know, as far as facts, and not tell you what you want to hear to gain a club member.

Neither the bible or Koran, or Torrah or Talmud or Buddha's writings or Hindu Vedas are "falsifiable" because they are not objective, but writings of the societies of those majorities who buy into them. Most humans when born simply adapt the religion of their parents.

It isn't to say you can or should try to force any religion out of existence, just that it isn't neutral like a science lab. If any religion was universal, that religion could get a patent and win a Nobel Prize.

Three books, if you have not read.

"The New Atheism" By Victor Stenger, goes into detail why science does have something to say about god claims. Victor does admit that religious people can value science, but only would value those who can keep it out of a lab. He didn't buy the "splitting the baby" as in "separate but equal" different explanations between science and religion, what religious call "Non-Overlapping Magisteria ". In layman's terms I would say "Non-Overlapping Magisteria" is simply nonsense term for the theist trying to excuse cherry picking so they can keep religion and science at the same time.

His prior book "God The Failed Hypothesis" is simply more debunking theist logic.

"The God Delusion" By PHD evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins Goes into detail as to how god claims arose in our species, as a result of life's gap filling as a quick fix for fight or flight. Life doesn't always have the time to slow down observe and collect data, and for all life 200,000 years ago humans most certainly didn't have modern tools to test and falsify.

Our gap filling stems from fight or flight. Just like a an antelope on the African plain doesn't always have time to asses if the tall grass is merely wind blowing, or a lion stalking it. In The God Delusion, Dawkins describes this evolutionary flaw in life that causes gap filling as "a moth mistaking a light bulb to the natural moonlight it really guides itself by".

The world was much more ignorant to early humans and the mortality rate much higher, and it was a very scary world to our species, so we projected our qualities on the world around us in a very ignorant attempt to make the world more understandable. Deities/gods/supernaturual/divine..... Are merely reflections of humans fears, desires, narcissism and insecurities. No different than a dog barking at it's own reflection in a mirror or window.

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21-01-2017, 07:59 PM (This post was last modified: 21-01-2017 08:04 PM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Is there anything in the bible that is falsifiable
The real question is : "What is NOT falsifiable" ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5RfScpEcZ8&t=58s

The genetic "bottleneck" debunks the Noah story.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIlWKp44T50

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