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08-01-2014, 03:16 AM (This post was last modified: 08-01-2014 04:01 AM by PigMonkeyandFrog.)
Is threatening hell to others freedom of speech
Today I saw a placard on a bike in the main public square in Melbourne Australia
It did the “embrace Jesus of face HELL type of thing “
I am for freedom of speech
I am against freedom of threat
Under the laws here it does seem this is HATE speech and I rang the city to report this
Making clear that the right to threaten others is not freedom of speech
It also encourages other threats and violence and might explain the level of violence in the USA
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08-01-2014, 03:21 AM
RE: Is threatening hell to others freedom of speech
Is it Freedom of Speech? Yes. Is it protected by your laws? I dunno.

Also, can't speak for every American, but I've never seen a 'You're gonna burn in hell!' placard responsible for violence, but hey, that's just me.

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08-01-2014, 03:21 AM
RE: Is threatening hell to others freedom of speech
It's not hate speech, or a threat. Hell doesn't exist
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08-01-2014, 04:08 AM
RE: Is threatening hell to others freedom of speech
(08-01-2014 03:21 AM)Dark Light Wrote:  Is it Freedom of Speech? Yes. Is it protected by your laws? I dunno.

Also, can't speak for every American, but I've never seen a 'You're gonna burn in hell!' placard responsible for violence, but hey, that's just me.

If anyone writes "you are going to burn in hell" it is a threat.

Children and other vulnerable people will read it.

It's unacceptable.
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08-01-2014, 04:11 AM
RE: Is threatening hell to others freedom of speech
Mark, you're gonna burn in hell. Tongue

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08-01-2014, 04:14 AM
RE: Is threatening hell to others freedom of speech
(08-01-2014 04:08 AM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  
(08-01-2014 03:21 AM)Dark Light Wrote:  Is it Freedom of Speech? Yes. Is it protected by your laws? I dunno.

Also, can't speak for every American, but I've never seen a 'You're gonna burn in hell!' placard responsible for violence, but hey, that's just me.

If anyone writes "you are going to burn in hell" it is a threat.

Children and other vulnerable people will read it.

It's unacceptable.

Hey Mark welcome back. Been a while since I've seen you post.

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08-01-2014, 04:22 AM
RE: Is threatening hell to others freedom of speech
Can I go to hell all my friends will be there
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08-01-2014, 04:27 AM (This post was last modified: 08-01-2014 04:39 AM by DLJ.)
RE: Is threatening hell to others freedom of speech
I'm for freedom of speech.

Even 'hate' speech.

Reason: Idiots have the right to be heard and non-idiots have the right to laugh in their faces.

"Freedom of speech is meaningless unless it means the freedom of the person who thinks differently."

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08-01-2014, 04:51 AM
RE: Is threatening hell to others freedom of speech
That is scary though. I love presents!

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08-01-2014, 04:55 AM
RE: Is threatening hell to others freedom of speech
(08-01-2014 03:16 AM)PigMonkeyandFrog Wrote:  Today I saw a placard on a bike in the main public square in Melbourne Australia
It did the “embrace Jesus of face HELL type of thing “
I am for freedom of speech
I am against freedom of threat
Under the laws here it does seem this is HATE speech and I rang the city to report this
Making clear that the right to threaten others is not freedom of speech
It also encourages other threats and violence and might explain the level of violence in the USA

You are a fucking idiot and it is dickheads like you that prevent Australia from getting a Bill of Rights. You are a crypto-fascist. Clearly you do not value liberty and you don't even have a clue what the purpose of freedom of speech is. The raison d'être of freedom of speech is to protect unpopular opinions. If everyone agreed with everyone else there would be no need for a constitutional freedom of speech.

Also, how the fuck can it be a "threat" when it concerns something that supposedly happens to your "immaterial soul" when you are dead? A threat is a statement of intention that some human person will inflict some sort of violence on you or your property. In what sense is "repent or go to Hell" a "threat"? If you don't believe in Heaven or Hell or original sin how could it represent any sort of threat?

And no it doesn't qualify as "hate speech" in Victoria.[1]

So you've concluded that Americans freedom of speech is the cause of violence? You are fucking idiot.
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