Is volunteering for the military a potentially unethical decision?
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01-03-2012, 02:41 PM
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RE: Is volunteering for the military a potentially unethical decision?
(01-03-2012 02:08 PM)lucradis Wrote: So the answer is both yes and no. Exactly the answer I was hoping for. That is why I used the word 'potentially' in the title. However, as I was trying to explain to KC, the thread was about INDIVIDUAL responsibility and ethics. When you volunteer, you expose yourself to the danger of being used unethically in the service of evil men for their own personal gain. This at least puts the onus on you to do everything in your power to research the issue of how much you can trust your government to use your oath of loyalty for good purposes. You have to look at the history of your own country and look for precedents of how soldiers who volunteered before you, were used by your government. If you find that in the majority of cases they were used in unjust, inhumane and unethical ways, then you had better think twice before signing the paper. If you don't do this, and ignore all the evidence in plain site in history books, then you acted irresponsibly and potentially exposed yourself to be forced to do things against your own moral code, assuming you had any to start with. Many do, some don't and it is a sad fact. |
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16-03-2012, 12:14 PM
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RE: Is volunteering for the military a potentially unethical decision?
(26-02-2012 12:18 PM)Zat Wrote: I have never been in any army, so I don’t have a personal experience. By the time of the Gulf 2, I thankfully was no longer serving in HM Forces, but if I had been I would have declared myself a consetious objecter. The Second gulf conflict was not a legal action, and as I said above - it is the duty of the individual soldier to indentify and not comply with illegal orders. In short, it comes down the assumption that you can compromise your morality because of circumstance placed upon you, if you can then they arent moral, theyre strongly held opinions. Morality, like duty and honour are not things your allowed to have if your prepared to compromise them. Legal Disclaimer: I am right, I reserve the right to be wrong without notice, opinions may change, your statutory rights are not affected, opinions expressed are not my own and are an approximation for the sake of communication. |
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16-03-2012, 12:15 PM
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RE: Is volunteering for the military a potentially unethical decision?
(01-03-2012 02:41 PM)Zat Wrote:(01-03-2012 02:08 PM)lucradis Wrote: So the answer is both yes and no. Anything is potentially unethical. Occasional TTA returner then leaverer. |
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16-03-2012, 12:46 PM
(This post was last modified: 16-03-2012 01:11 PM by Humakt.)
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RE: Is volunteering for the military a potentially unethical decision?
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What do you think you would do if say China invaded america and they had much superior weaponry than your army. And as far as China invading, I assume it would be analogous to the British and the Revolutionary War. Of course I would resist the invading force. But as soon as my actions go from "opposed" to "kill the enemy" I am no longer an "innocent." There are other ways to make my defiance felt than to rig buildings to take human lives. [/quote] Im very much in your camp, but here buddy your in error. It would be in no analogous to the revolutionary war. The British did not invade, the 13 colonies were crown protectorates, the british troops had no need to invade you dont have to invade your own territory. As the term revolutionary, implies the revolutionary war was against the legal and recognised colonial goverment of his Britannic majesty and the rebellion of seditionists and traitors. I know that this is ancient history from your perspective, but its really closer to current affairs. Still we're all friends now ![]() (01-03-2012 01:27 PM)Zat Wrote:(01-03-2012 01:15 PM)kingschosen Wrote: No. As a whole, unethical decisions by a CO that affect lives are not common. When you vote, when you dont resign citizenship and live in a row boat in international waters, when you pay tax, when you spend money your complict. We are all complict weather we serve in the military or not. Next time your neckin down a warm brown down at coffeebucks have a good think on the morality of the IMF and WTO and think about your complicity is in all of that every time you make a finanicial transaction of any kind. There aint none of clean in this world, to reference a quote from Full Metal Jacket "It's a giant shit sandwich and we're all gonna have to take a bite." Maybe Im being unfair, maybe your principals match your outrage and your posting from your rowboat already and are blameless, in which case I apologise. If not how do you sleep at night knowing your economic security comes at the cost of the economic subjugation of a significant proportion of the worlds population. At first I thought your OP, was ill informed and my first post attempts to address that. But having read through the thread, your attitude and discourse goes beyond ill informed into ignorant. But then we firebombed Dresden so you could enjoy that freedom of speech so by all means continue. Anywhoo...... (01-03-2012 02:08 PM)lucradis Wrote: First. All of us trust that where we live is actually better than most places. I mean seriously. it's true. Sure I'd probably rather live a couple of other places too, but I assure you there are more places I'm delighted to not be living in. Grats you win the thread. gg all Legal Disclaimer: I am right, I reserve the right to be wrong without notice, opinions may change, your statutory rights are not affected, opinions expressed are not my own and are an approximation for the sake of communication. |
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20-03-2012, 09:09 PM
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RE: Is volunteering for the military a potentially unethical decision?
(16-03-2012 12:14 PM)Humakt Wrote:(26-02-2012 12:18 PM)Zat Wrote: I have never been in any army, so I don’t have a personal experience. You should think on the positive side. Everyone kisses the veterans asses. even if they don't really deserve it. |
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22-03-2012, 09:20 AM
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RE: Is volunteering for the military a potentially unethical decision?
Thinking posativly or otherwise, in my expierance has little to no effect on how things are. That aside, being British and not some misty eyed colonial I can say Ive never had anything kissed, or indeed anyone care on that score.
It seems to me americans are more given to whoopin, cheering and "we're number 1ing" over anything than we are over this side of the pond. Of course, this is pretty much cosmetic, american veterns are as likely to fall full the cracks as ours are. Either side of the atlanic a medal and a gushing thank you, is no substitute for long term care. Legal Disclaimer: I am right, I reserve the right to be wrong without notice, opinions may change, your statutory rights are not affected, opinions expressed are not my own and are an approximation for the sake of communication. |
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