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29-12-2013, 04:12 AM
RE: Islamic Teachings
(29-12-2013 04:05 AM)The Germans are coming Wrote:  ...
he is heckling people who are actualy trying to direct replies towards people.

That happens a lot around here.

You'll get used to it
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29-12-2013, 04:14 AM
RE: Islamic Teachings
(29-12-2013 04:12 AM)DLJ Wrote:  That happens a lot around here.

You'll get used to it
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Well then I`ll have to get use to it.

Still, I cant "unreport" him now can I?

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29-12-2013, 04:32 AM
RE: Islamic Teachings
(29-12-2013 04:04 AM)The Germans are coming Wrote:  Fitna can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results from unbelief or temptation. It does not mean "making people enemies against each other" - it can mean that people can become enemies against each other caused through the chaos that is caused by disbelief.

Researching from different sources would be more healty to understand . Actually I dont consider the wikipedia as a reliable source but sometimes it works objective . I dont know if there is an old arabic dictionary written in English .


Fitna (also transliterated fitnah or in the genitive case fitnat ; Arabic: فتنة‎, "sedition") is an Arabic word with connotations of secession, upheaval, and chaos. It is widely used in Arabic daily language as an adjective which refers to "causing problems between people" or attempting to create a chaotic situation that tests one's faith....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitna_(word)




(29-12-2013 04:04 AM)The Germans are coming Wrote:  Oh please. Everyone had heard the word "kaffir" in the videos by Bin Laden, Saudi radical Clerics, Hisbollah, Hamas and others. Everyone knows that it means unbeliever because it is always in every context directed against non muslims. Be it in the past or today. Kaffir is infact a swearword for non muslims in the arab world.

Again from wikipedia ; Kafir (Arabic: كافر‎ kāfir, plural كفّار kuffār) is an Arabic term used in an Islamic doctrinal sense, usually translated as "unbeliever," "disbeliever," or "infidel." The term refers to a person who rejects God in Islam or who hides, denies, or covers the "Islamic version of truth." .....The Qur'an uses the word kafir to signify various negative qualities of a person, all of which assist in the precise defining of kufr.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kafir

Kafir is not simply a non muslim....Kafir is one that COVERS up the truth!!

Classical arabic language that is what a kafir is.....If some one doesnt know the truth then how can they cover it up ? Being simple not muslim does not make one a kafir...What would make one a kaffir is they learn about Islam recognize it is the truth and in insolence turn away from Islam

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.ph...g-of-Kafir



(29-12-2013 04:04 AM)The Germans are coming Wrote:  Would you quote 4:74? It is utterly rude of you to simply point to another verse instead of giving an explaination.

4:74 Let those who seek to purchase the Hereafter rather than this world fight in the cause of God. Whoever fights in the cause of God and is killed or attains victory, then We will grant him a great reward

What does fighting in cause of God/Allah . Allah want muslims fight agains only oppressors and persecutors . This is the cause of him .

4:75 Why do you not fight in the cause of God, when the oppressed amongst the men and women and children say, "Our Lord, bring us out of this town whose people are wicked, and grant us from Yourself a Supporter, and grant us from Yourself a Victor!"
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29-12-2013, 04:32 AM
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(29-12-2013 04:05 AM)The Germans are coming Wrote:  Yeah... well.. people have actualy debated here.
*actually

(29-12-2013 04:05 AM)The Germans are coming Wrote:  I do partialy see your point.
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29-12-2013, 04:55 AM
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(29-12-2013 04:32 AM)Nineteen Wrote:  Researching from different sources would be more healty to understand . Actually I dont consider the wikipedia as a reliable source but sometimes it works objective . I dont know if there is an old arabic dictionary written in English .

And I dont considere you to be a relyable source of information.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?...912AAPwKLy

http://islam.about.com/od/glossary/g/fitna.htm

fitna is defined as temptation, chaos and even admiration and love.

If anything it simply points out the dificulties of expressing yourself that are common in the arabic language due to the fact that words have so many meanings.
Yet in this context of the quoran, the phrase was used when mohammed conquered mecca which was at that time a city of non believers.
if fitna is used here to describe the temptation and choas in that city it is clearly showing that it is due to the disbelief of the meccans.

fitna is also used in context with shamed people who turn away from islamic ways, such as unmarried couples and people who drink alcohol.

So the context is clear, and can only be called into question by the many definitions of the word, which would be foolish considering the context of the quoranic phrase itslef.


Quote:Fitna (also transliterated fitnah or in the genitive case fitnat ; Arabic: فتنة‎, "sedition") is an Arabic word with connotations of secession, upheaval, and chaos. It is widely used in Arabic daily language as an adjective which refers to "causing problems between people" or attempting to create a chaotic situation that tests one's faith....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitna_(word)

Are you aware of the irony that comes from you denouncing wikipedia as a source and then using it as a source?

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?...002AAwK3rf

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?...021AAyRqWX

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=kaffir

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kafir

http://www.islamic-dictionary.com/index.php?word=kafir

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/defini...lish/kafir

http://translate.google.com/#en/ar/Unbeliever

And every other definition including dictonaries agree that a kafir is an unbeliever. So either you dont know it yourself, are denying the meaning or there is a global conspiracy by dictonary publishers and translators to distort the meaning.

Now which one is more likely?




Quote:Again from wikipedia ; Kafir (Arabic: كافر‎ kāfir, plural كفّار kuffār) is an Arabic term used in an Islamic doctrinal sense, usually translated as "unbeliever," "disbeliever," or "infidel." The term refers to a person who rejects God in Islam or who hides, denies, or covers the "Islamic version of truth." .....The Qur'an uses the word kafir to signify various negative qualities of a person, all of which assist in the precise defining of kufr.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kafir

Kafir is not simply a non muslim....Kafir is one that COVERS up the truth!!




Classical arabic language that is what a kafir is.....If some one doesnt know the truth then how can they cover it up ? Being simple not muslim does not make one a kafir...What would make one a kaffir is they learn about Islam recognize it is the truth and in insolence turn away from Islam

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.ph...g-of-Kafir

not true, a kafir is also someone who knows about islam and rejects it anyway.

Kafir is also a muslim who doesnt behave according to islamic rules.

You are merely redefining a word to fit into your worldview.



Quote:4:74 Let those who seek to purchase the Hereafter rather than this world fight in the cause of God. Whoever fights in the cause of God and is killed or attains victory, then We will grant him a great reward

What does fighting in cause of God/Allah . Allah want muslims fight agains only oppressors and persecutors . This is the cause of him .

4:75 Why do you not fight in the cause of God, when the oppressed amongst the men and women and children say, "Our Lord, bring us out of this town whose people are wicked, and grant us from Yourself a Supporter, and grant us from Yourself a Victor!"

Not true and only your interpretation.

This can easily be a call to fighting muslims telling them that god is only on their side because they fight for allah whilest god is not on the side of their oponents.

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29-12-2013, 05:03 AM
RE: Islamic Teachings
(29-12-2013 04:55 AM)The Germans are coming Wrote:  
(29-12-2013 04:32 AM)Nineteen Wrote:  Researching from different sources would be more healty to understand . Actually I dont consider the wikipedia as a reliable source but sometimes it works objective . I dont know if there is an old arabic dictionary written in English .

And I dont considere you to be a relyable source of information.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?...912AAPwKLy

http://islam.about.com/od/glossary/g/fitna.htm

fitna is defined as temptation, chaos and even admiration and love.

If anything it simply points out the dificulties of expressing yourself that are common in the arabic language due to the fact that words have so many meanings.
Yet in this context of the quoran, the phrase was used when mohammed conquered mecca which was at that time a city of non believers.
if fitna is used here to describe the temptation and choas in that city it is clearly showing that it is due to the disbelief of the meccans.

fitna is also used in context with shamed people who turn away from islamic ways, such as unmarried couples and people who drink alcohol.

So the context is clear, and can only be called into question by the many definitions of the word, which would be foolish considering the context of the quoranic phrase itslef.


Quote:Fitna (also transliterated fitnah or in the genitive case fitnat ; Arabic: فتنة‎, "sedition") is an Arabic word with connotations of secession, upheaval, and chaos. It is widely used in Arabic daily language as an adjective which refers to "causing problems between people" or attempting to create a chaotic situation that tests one's faith....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitna_(word)

Are you aware of the irony that comes from you denouncing wikipedia as a source and then using it as a source?

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?...002AAwK3rf

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?...021AAyRqWX

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=kaffir

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kafir

http://www.islamic-dictionary.com/index.php?word=kafir

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/defini...lish/kafir

http://translate.google.com/#en/ar/Unbeliever

And every other definition including dictonaries agree that a kafir is an unbeliever. So either you dont know it yourself, are denying the meaning or there is a global conspiracy by dictonary publishers and translators to distort the meaning.

Now which one is more likely?




Quote:Again from wikipedia ; Kafir (Arabic: كافر‎ kāfir, plural كفّار kuffār) is an Arabic term used in an Islamic doctrinal sense, usually translated as "unbeliever," "disbeliever," or "infidel." The term refers to a person who rejects God in Islam or who hides, denies, or covers the "Islamic version of truth." .....The Qur'an uses the word kafir to signify various negative qualities of a person, all of which assist in the precise defining of kufr.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kafir

Kafir is not simply a non muslim....Kafir is one that COVERS up the truth!!




Classical arabic language that is what a kafir is.....If some one doesnt know the truth then how can they cover it up ? Being simple not muslim does not make one a kafir...What would make one a kaffir is they learn about Islam recognize it is the truth and in insolence turn away from Islam

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.ph...g-of-Kafir

not true, a kafir is also someone who knows about islam and rejects it anyway.

Kafir is also a muslim who doesnt behave according to islamic rules.

You are merely redefining a word to fit into your worldview.



Quote:4:74 Let those who seek to purchase the Hereafter rather than this world fight in the cause of God. Whoever fights in the cause of God and is killed or attains victory, then We will grant him a great reward

What does fighting in cause of God/Allah . Allah want muslims fight agains only oppressors and persecutors . This is the cause of him .

4:75 Why do you not fight in the cause of God, when the oppressed amongst the men and women and children say, "Our Lord, bring us out of this town whose people are wicked, and grant us from Yourself a Supporter, and grant us from Yourself a Victor!"

Not true and only your interpretation.

This can easily be a call to fighting muslims telling them that god is only on their side because they fight for allah whilest god is not on the side of their oponents.


Allah calls Satan as kaffir in Quran . Satan knows Allah but tries to mislead people as a rebel to him . So here we can easly understand that "kaffir" or "kafir" or "kuffar" does not mean "non-muslim" .

Non-muslim is written as "gayr-muslim" in Arabic .

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29-12-2013, 05:13 AM
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(29-12-2013 05:03 AM)Nineteen Wrote:  Allah calls Satan as kaffir in Quran . Satan knows Allah but tries to mislead people as a rebel to him . So here we can easly understand that "kaffir" or "kafir" or "kuffar" does not mean "non-muslim" .

it means unbeliever and a non-believer is a non-muslim.

Dont try to redefine it, because in the era of internet we can find the definitions we need within seconds.

Remember, I am not accusing you of being violent, I am accusing the quoran. And I am aware that the quoran was written 1400 years ago and that many muslims of today dont live according to these violent phrases from a violent age.

I merely point out to you that due to these violent phrases, the quoran is not viable for providing state laws or a constitution in a civilised, democratic and modern open society.

Quote:Non-muslim is written as "gayr-muslim" in Arabic .

Oh please! "Gayr" is an arabic loanword in the Turkish language and is used in the Turkish language, not in the Arabich language.

It is used in the same was as the word "non" is used in English, but in the Turkish and not in the Arabic language.

This means that this word did not even exist in the form that you use it in during the era in which the quoran came into existance, since during that era: The Turks werent even muslim and didnt even have the word gayr in their language as a loanword.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rep...in_Turkish

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29-12-2013, 05:17 AM
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LoL okay , you're right : ) sorry I'm an ignorant person who lying around . I have a problem in my eyes and this is hard for me to read long articles . Okay , anyway you're right and I'm wrong . Thanks ...
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29-12-2013, 05:35 AM
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(29-12-2013 02:35 AM)Nineteen Wrote:  You have to get used to live together muslims , we are your future : )

Like these Chechen dickheads?

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I'm sure Tamerlan Tsarnaev is enjoying his 72 virgins in the cosmic brothel that is Islamic Paradise.

The example of the Tsarnaev brothers is illustrative of the future of Islamism in the West. Bombing the Boston marathon did nothing to promote Islamism in the West nor did it do anything for the Palestinians. It actually made it clear that even Americanised Muslims can become terrorists. The Tsarnaev brothers killed Americans but they also killed the naive argument propagated by Muslim apologists that all American Muslims are loyal to the USA. The only lasting legacy of the Tsarnaev brothers is an increased surveillance and intelligence gathering on American Muslims. That is all.

Tamerlan Tsarnaev's corpse lies in an unmarked grave somewhere in Virginia. Hopefully Dzhokhar Tsarnaev will get the death penalty so he too can go to the cosmic harem and enjoy his 72 virgins.
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29-12-2013, 05:41 AM
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Chippy, I think you're the permanent-salaried troll of this forum . A coward behind computer .
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