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23-11-2013, 04:11 PM
Isn't it true that Nothing is true and everything is permitted ?
We made concepts,theories,explanations and gave ourselves a purpose.

Its just us who desperately try to seek purpose and reason in almost everything we see and can think about,when in an objective reality nothing really seems to have a definitive "Purpose" things just happen because they exist and life just happened by sheer amount of accidents over and over quadrillion of years.

Ultimately we're just bound by instincts,natural forces and arbitrary laws of the universe,we just have no say in the matter we're just a byproduct of an accident witnessing everything with awe and wonder and then realizing that nothing actually has a purpose unless we make one ourselves.
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23-11-2013, 04:24 PM (This post was last modified: 23-11-2013 04:36 PM by houseofcantor.)
RE: Isn't it true that Nothing is true and everything is permitted ?
Well, when you get your philosophy from a video game...

...or follow a character like this...

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23-11-2013, 10:20 PM
RE: Isn't it true that Nothing is true and everything is permitted ?
(23-11-2013 04:11 PM)IndianAtheist Wrote:  We made concepts,theories,explanations and gave ourselves a purpose.

Its just us who desperately try to seek purpose and reason in almost everything we see and can think about,when in an objective reality nothing really seems to have a definitive "Purpose" things just happen because they exist and life just happened by sheer amount of accidents over and over quadrillion of years.

Ultimately we're just bound by instincts,natural forces and arbitrary laws of the universe,we just have no say in the matter we're just a byproduct of an accident witnessing everything with awe and wonder and then realizing that nothing actually has a purpose unless we make one ourselves.

Thanks Deepak. All that is missing from that is "we are the universe looking at itself".

All living things have a purpose: to survive and reproduce. Every aspect of their structure and function is oriented to that task. Even large parts of culture are dedicated to that purpose. The reason you exist is because of that purpose. The only salient difference--in this context--between us an other living things is that we have evolved the capacity to think about meaning and purpose but that doesn't render meaning and purpose non-existent.

We aren't just "witnessing everything with awe and wonder" we are part of that "wonder" and we have gained the ability to alter the Earth and its atmosphere in significant ways. We too create wondrous things.

What you are doing is smuggling into a metaphysical naturalist worldview an absurd supernaturalist ideal so the naturalist worldview inevtiably looks inferior. Thus "things" have meaning and purpose if they were created by some elephant-headed deity and his blue flute playing friend but because they weren't things must be meaningless. How does the purposive behaviour of a cuttlefish depend on the Ganesh, Krishna, Yahweh, Chuck Norris or Thor? Why does the cuttlefish need a broader cosmic narrative to live a meaningful existence? Why isn't survival and reproduction sufficient? In any event humans do more than merely survive and reproduce so why is human life meaningless and purposeless? Compared to what? Answer: some supernatural ideal.

The "meaning of life problem" like the "free will problem" are covertly yoked by ideals drawn from supernaturalist worldviews. The "meaning of life problem" stems from the mythical ideal of a cosmic grand narrative. The "free will problem" stems from the mythical ideal of contra-causal free will--a property of gods. They are akin to a tribe having a myth that their ancestors could teleport and then using that mythical capacity as a yardstick to measure all other forms of locomotion and transportation: "yes we can ride horses but we can't teleport so are we really travelling, we are just riding an animal and that has to move through space".
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23-11-2013, 11:32 PM
RE: Isn't it true that Nothing is true and everything is permitted ?
(23-11-2013 04:11 PM)IndianAtheist Wrote:  Ultimately we're just bound by instincts,natural forces and arbitrary laws of the universe,we just have no say in the matter we're just a byproduct of an accident witnessing everything with awe and wonder and then realizing that nothing actually has a purpose unless we make one ourselves.

That would be a good reason to create a purpose for yourself, wouldn't it? <3

What greater purpose or reason would humans have? To live and end up in Hell, or get reincarnated, or transcend to some other plane of existence? What's so great about all those options? Existence is beautiful and we are lucky to be a part of it for our short lifetimes. I feel sorry for anyone who doesn't find that "purpose" enough.

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24-11-2013, 09:27 AM
RE: Isn't it true that Nothing is true and everything is permitted ?
Sure.
Except where prohibited by law, statute, ordinance, company policy, custom, community standard, good taste, etiquette, the principal or Mom.

It's not the mean god I have trouble with - it's the people who worship a mean god.
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24-11-2013, 10:00 AM
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(23-11-2013 10:20 PM)Chippy Wrote:  All that is missing from that is "we are the universe looking at itself".
Well that's one way to look at it,for that you'd have let go of your ego and belittle your own existence and not many people are ready to do that they'd rather delude themselves into giving false sense of importance.
Quote:All living things have a purpose: to survive and reproduce.
Well you see the very concept of a "purpose" seems very abstract rather then something predetermined.

Is purpose something predetermined or is it something we assume or make ourselves ?

The very best example of that would be mind illusions experienced when your brain cannot make sense of something and it creates a false illusion just so that you could make a sense of it somehow.
Quote:What you are doing is smuggling into a metaphysical naturalist worldview an absurd supernaturalist ideal so the naturalist worldview inevtiably looks inferior.
Supernatural ? what i don't believe in anything supernatural,idk where you got that idea from i just meant to say that everything only has a purpose as long as we give it one,otherwise its just natural laws playing its chaotic game of shuffle.
Quote:The "free will problem" stems from the mythical ideal of contra-causal free will--a property of gods.
There is no such thing as free will we are bound by our instincts,inbound morals and the reality our brain projects us with.. no is truly "Free" in a objective view.
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24-11-2013, 10:04 AM (This post was last modified: 24-11-2013 10:10 AM by IndianAtheist.)
RE: Isn't it true that Nothing is true and everything is permitted ?
(23-11-2013 11:32 PM)Cephalotus Wrote:  What greater purpose or reason would humans have?
Nothing,there is no such thing as a "purpose" life just exists,everything just happens to exist.
Quote:To live and end up in Hell, or get reincarnated, or transcend to some other plane of existence? What's so great about all those options?
Well who said that they're the only options you have ? they're all purposes devised by humans for humans.
Quote:Existence is beautiful and we are lucky to be a part of it for our short lifetimes. I feel sorry for anyone who doesn't find that "purpose" enough.
I actually don't want to delude myself with false sense of fulfillment whether supernatural or materialistic.
(23-11-2013 04:24 PM)houseofcantor Wrote:  Well, when you get your philosophy from a video game...
Wanna talk about a great mystery of the universe, why does autocorrect find it necessary to insert apostrophes into correctly expressed words? Consider
I don't really care where that word came from or what it originally meant this is my interpretation of it.

Original intent may have been just "We kill everything without regrets because nothing has a definitive purpose" that's just a cheap way to look at it but whatever.
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25-11-2013, 05:47 AM
RE: Isn't it true that Nothing is true and everything is permitted ?
I wouldn't say that "nothing" is true and everything is "permitted"..... but the gist of what you're saying is correct.
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25-11-2013, 10:35 AM
RE: Isn't it true that Nothing is true and everything is permitted ?
(25-11-2013 05:47 AM)Juv Wrote:  I wouldn't say that "nothing" is true and everything is "permitted"..... but the gist of what you're saying is correct.
Well yeah not literally but figuratively.
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25-11-2013, 10:50 AM
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