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17-02-2014, 02:48 PM
RE: Israel
Kinda proving my initial point there guys.

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17-02-2014, 03:56 PM
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(17-02-2014 11:52 AM)Youkay Wrote:  And also, you pathetic piece of shit (since this thread has been moved to the vipers pit thanks to you racist cunt, I won't be watching my language anymore), you haven't read the first sentence on the paper:


This article is based on a lecture presented at Ben-Gurion University of the Negev, Israel, on November 30, 2010.


You are a fucking moron!!! Are you still claiming he has no touch with reality? I can't believe how fucking sad and disgusting a sorry excuse for a human being you are. unfortunately, you are not alone in germany, which is crawling with your putrid kind. I know that first hand.


Go screw goats and blow yourself up in some desert amongst your rpulsive kind you disgusting bearded savage!!!

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17-02-2014, 05:54 PM
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Wow - the thread has descended into a hellish monstrosity.

What I will say is Chippy is right that Zionism as practiced by the right wing ultra orthodox religious does have mythological "glorious past" fantasies. Same with the Islamic fantasies about the glorious past and greater Islamic Uma Caliphate of the 8th - 10th century.

However there is no "single Zionism" but many types - some without a religious basis whatsoever on a "glorious past". Many Zionists were staunch secularists, liberals and communists and settled on a land that was not a sovereign Arab country but a province of other Empires (British mandate, Ottoman Empire, Fatimid caliphate & Mamluk Empire etc etc........Never a 'Palestinian sovereign country'
This isn't really hard to grasp - its on every map and history book well before modern Israel existed.

Also consider some 700,000 Jews living in Israel were refugees FROM ARAB COUNTRIES - especially Iraq, Egypt, Syria, Libya and later Iran (not Arab but Islamic/Persian).
Many of these Jews were persecuted IN ARAB COUNTRIES before the state of Israel existed - especially Iraq were Arab pogroms were sympathising with Hitlers nationalism and killing Jews. Strange that these Jews predate even Islam in Iraq !
These Jews fleeing from Arab countries to Israel lost their homes, many lost their lives on dangerous journeys and had vast wealth stolen from them & left in humiliation. Non of these Jews have been compensated by Arab countries and even ended up living in poverty in Israel even up to the late 1970's discriminated by more elitist European Jews. However Israel did eventually house these jewish refugees from Arab countries and incorporate them into the economy and taday they are the majority (basically the middle eastern looking tanned Sephardi jews)

What about the 700,000 or so Palestinian refugees after the 1948 war ? What happened to them ? Where they housed by their Arab hosts ? Where they incorporated into the economies of those Arab countries ? The answer is a strong No ! They were deliberately left in UTTER squalor and destitution, even though there is enough money from Saudi Arabia to solve all the Palestinian refugee problem virtually immediately. Rather than solve the problem the Arab countries, particularly Lebanon & Syria (and Jordan until recently) kept the refugees as a weapon for a later date once you get 2nd & 3rd generation refugees (now in the many millions) Today the Syrian government is butchering Palestinian refugees on a scale greater than any Israeli action !

http://www.irinnews.org/report/96202/ana...-abandoned
A quick search reveals so many Syrian violations of human rights it makes Israel look like the Hilton -
more refugees created by Syria by 3 - 4 x than Israel ever has.

In any case - my point is that hundreds of thousands of Jews were refugees from Arab countries, totally abandoned and never compensated for vast wealth lost and literally becoming peasants. Now suddenly Israel has to be responsible for arab refugees in a disproportionate manner.

The irony & EXTREME stupidity of the Arab countries was if they looked after the Jews and protected them there would be hardly any Sephardi Jews in Israel !!! (today the majority)

The Arabs would have easily won the wars and destroyed Israel due to sheer outnumbering of the population ! (those 700,000 Jews fleeing Arab countries to Israel are a vital part of the defence of Israel & economy, even if persecuted at first in Israel itself they formed a cheap labour force building Israel's economy)

Irony of ironies !!!

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17-02-2014, 06:57 PM
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(17-02-2014 08:47 AM)The Germans are coming Wrote:  What a load of bullshit.

Israel was created and it`s existance justified through the prosecution of the jews worldwide.

Your just showing your repulsive antisemitism!

Are you a character from a German sit-com?
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17-02-2014, 07:05 PM
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(17-02-2014 08:51 AM)The Germans are coming Wrote:  Are you an atheist? Or just some muslim savage sockaccount!?

I'm an Arab-Muslim that wears a turban and has a huge beard, 10 wives, a herd of goats and I am illiterate. I live in a cave but my cave has internet access and ample room for my 10 wives. I thought my cover would last but you managed to see right through me using your German interrogation skills.
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17-02-2014, 07:13 PM
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(17-02-2014 03:56 PM)The Germans are coming Wrote:  Go screw goats and blow yourself up in some desert amongst your rpulsive kind you disgusting bearded savage!!!

You need to watch some German schei├čen porn to calm yourself.
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17-02-2014, 07:16 PM
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(17-02-2014 09:05 AM)The Germans are coming Wrote:  Which does not make it a non-secular country!

Israel is not a genuine secular country.
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17-02-2014, 08:14 PM (This post was last modified: 17-02-2014 08:29 PM by Baruch.)
RE: Israel
(17-02-2014 07:16 PM)Chippy Wrote:  
(17-02-2014 09:05 AM)The Germans are coming Wrote:  Which does not make it a non-secular country!

Israel is not a genuine secular country.

Israel has pockets of religious ultra-orthodox religious jewish enclaves (eg Meir-Sharim, Bnei Brack) - but other than that it has separation of "religion + State" and is as secular as most western counties. The universities teach science, philosophy and pretty much anything you will find in any developed western country. I would even go as far as they are MORE secular considering biblical criticism's core is in Israeli universities (eg home of academics like Israel Finkelstein)
Secularism in its true sense allows religious freedoms rather than forcing atheism - and Israel does this too. There are plenty mosques in Arab-Israeli areas and for that matter a new one was refurbished right near the Dan Panarama Hotel sea front not far from down town Tel-Aviv (in mosly Arab Jaffa)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/achituv/919589044/

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The beach next to this mosque is mixed with Arabs working in Jewish Israeli business and Israelis eating in Arab restaurants. The hotels also have mixed employees both Arab & Jewish.

You clearly haven't got a clue about what you are talking about.

Do you know what they teach kids in Palestinian schools ?
Not exactly evolution or science. Christians in Palestinian autonomous areas are persecuted and fleeing from religious oppression. It is unlikely a synagogue will last 5 minutes without being burned down.

Going back to Tel-Aviv the picture below shows the direction to down town Tel Aviv in the background of the mosque (its not a photo I can embed)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/canonsnapper/149528750/

or Hassan Bek mosque and David Intercontinental Hotel in background.
http://www.telaviv4fun.com/sitebuilder/i...32x255.jpg
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Nearby there are more mosques and some important churches preserved since the crusaders and various Christian Era in Jaffa.
Of course Jaffa also has a Jewish History and ancient ruins.

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17-02-2014, 08:30 PM
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(17-02-2014 08:14 PM)Baruch Wrote:  Israel has pockets of religious ultra-orthodox religious jewish enclaves (eg Meir-Sharim, Bnei Brack) - but other than that it has separation of "religion + State" and is as secular as most western counties.

No it isn't. It has a Chief Rabbinate which is a part of Israel's judicial system.
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17-02-2014, 08:39 PM
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If Gazan palestinians stopped firing missiles on Israel, used Saudi money or help from multiple other Arab countries to pursue peace there is NO REASON whatsoever why Gaza cannot have sky scrapers, lofty hotels, secular universities and thrive.

Like I previously stated prior to 1996 suicide bombing campaigns there was no Gaza embargo. The Gaza-Israel crossing was open for trade and 100,000 Palestinians has jobs in Israel and traded with Egypt post Camp David peace treaty with Egypt.

However who's responsibility is it for Gaza to have sky scrapers and use massive potential finances to build a thriving secular economy ? Hamas ?????? The PLO ?????
Why not use the abandoned Jewish settlements after Israel's unilateral withdrawal to build greenhouses and sell fruits from Gaza ? The Jews living there were prosperous and no reason why Palestinians cannot be prosperous if they follow a peaceful path. On the contrary - Israel has traded with Palestinians on a large scale previously prior to distrust after multiple suicide bombings. I'm not blaming all Palestinians, there are some smart academics and pragmatists - but unfortunately their rulers are totalitarian fascists religious fanatics and any secularism in Gaza will be crushed by Sharia.

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