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07-11-2012, 07:14 AM
RE: It's Obama - 4 more years
(07-11-2012 04:46 AM)Diablo666 Wrote:  
(07-11-2012 02:05 AM)Vosur Wrote:  In this one instance, I'm glad that the USA has this flawed voting system. Obama has less overall votes than Romney, but because he has more electoral votes, he still won. Kinda like in Bush's case. Had the election taken place in a different country, Romney would've won. Confused
Nah, he won the popular vote as well. Nowhere near as large as the electoral vote, but still by a fair margin.
Apparently I didn't have the final numbers yet. When I looked it up, both of them had 49 million votes and Romney was leading by a few thousand. Now it says that Romney has 56,9 million and Obama 59,5 million votes.

(07-11-2012 03:02 AM)Vera Wrote:  Or - he wouldn't've been nominated in the first place.
You misunderstood me. What I was trying to say is that if the distribution of votes had been the same in a different country, Romney would've won because the voting system is different.

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07-11-2012, 07:24 AM
RE: It's Obama - 4 more years
(07-11-2012 07:14 AM)Vosur Wrote:  You misunderstood me. What I was trying to say is that if the distribution of votes had been the same in a different country, Romney would've won because the voting system is different.
Nah, I got it. Just meant to say that there aren't many countries that would even go for such a presidential candidate.
Though in light of who we have as a PM, I'm probably not one to talk. Sad

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07-11-2012, 10:46 AM
RE: It's Obama - 4 more years
(07-11-2012 02:05 AM)Vosur Wrote:  In this one instance, I'm glad that the USA has this flawed voting system. Obama has less overall votes than Romney, but because he has more electoral votes, he still won. Kinda like in Bush's case. Had the election taken place in a different country, Romney would've won. Confused
Current statistics show Obama leading with both more popular and electoral votes, brah. Drinking Beverage

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07-11-2012, 10:49 AM (This post was last modified: 07-11-2012 03:03 PM by TrulyX.)
RE: It's Obama - 4 more years
(07-11-2012 12:59 AM)Diablo666 Wrote:  He can only do what congress allows. The Republicans will still cock block him at every turn, and refuse to vote for any legislation he tries to pass. Now if the legislative branch would play ball, then maybe then some progress might happen. MAYBE!

Yeah, but the thing is, they did every thing correct politically: They painted their opponent out to be what their constituency hates (i.e. a Muslim, socialist, anti-American), they made sure economically and fiscally we were in as bad of a position as possible without completely crashing things, they made sure that majority to all of the blame for our problems was put on their opponent, they were financially and politically backed by the wealthy elite and bet the house, they elected the candidate in their party that had the best chance of getting elected, they turned out a really decent amount of votes and enthusiasm from their base, they pulled over some swing voters, and after all of that, they still took a pretty substantial loss, that given the future of demographics, can only get worse.

That's called justice, vindication for Obama, and a wake up call for the Republican party and their puppet masters. They wasted all of their time, all of their money, and all of their negative effort that put this country in a place that is much worse than it would have been if they didn't play dirty politics and intentionally suppress progress. Now it's moment of truth time.

It's kind of their asses, and the future of their party on the line now. Obama has the leverage that John Boehner had with him in their debt negotiations. They put a dent in his first-term legacy, but now the only thing they can take is a huge chunk out of progress for the American people and Obama's legend status as a great president.

The problems we have right now are paramount and plentiful, but extremely easy to solve with good leadership. They are easy compromises, simple solutions, and overall, we seem to have a huge potential for growth and potential to get a lot of monumental things done domestically. Foreign affairs, on the other hand, might get kind of tough, and I hope they don't get in the way, but our problems at home can be solved easily.

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07-11-2012, 10:59 AM
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07-11-2012, 11:37 AM
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(07-11-2012 10:49 AM)TrulyX Wrote:  
(07-11-2012 12:59 AM)Diablo666 Wrote:  He can only do what congress allows. The Republicans will still cock block him at every turn, and refuse to vote for any legislation he tries to pass. Now if the legislative branch would play ball, then maybe then some progress might happen. MAYBE!

Yeah, but the thing is, they did every thing correct politically: They painted their opponent out to be what their constituency hates (i.e. a Muslim, socialist, anti-American), they made sure economically and fiscally we were in as bad of a position as possible without completely crashing things, they made sure that majority to all of the blame for our problems was put on their opponent, they were financially and politically backed by the wealthy elite and bet the house, they elected the candidate in their party that had the best chance of getting elected, they turned out a really decent amount of votes and enthusiasm from their base, they pulled over some swing voters, and after all of that, they still took a pretty substantial loss, that given the future of demographics, can only get worse.

That's called justice, vindication for Obama, and a wake up call for the Republican party and their puppet masters. They wasted they all of their time, all of their money, and all of their negative effort that put this country in a place that is much worse than it would have been if they didn't play dirty politics and intentionally suppress progress. Now it's moment of truth time.

It's kind of their asses, and the future of their party on the line now. Obama has the leverage that John Boehner had with him in their debt negotiations. They put a dent in his first-term legacy, but now the only thing they can take is a huge chunk out of progress for the American people and Obama's legend status as a great president.

The problems we have right now are paramount and plentiful, but extremely easy to solve with good leadership. They are easy compromises, simple solutions, and overall, we seem to have a huge potential for growth and potential to get a lot of monumental things done domestically. Foreign affairs, on the other hand, might get kind of tough, and I hope they don't get in the way, but our problems at home can be solved easily.
They also managed to avoid any real discussions of real issues. If you listen to Romney's speeches, they utterly lack substance. They are 100% "fluff". He said he would create jobs, but never said exactly how. It was all "happy talk", no facts. His job at Bain was DESTROYING jobs, not creating jobs. That's what they do in the "buy-out" business. His "5 point plan" was nonsence. He said he would "deal with China if and when they cheat". He had no option to do ANYTHING of the sort. China buys our (all) debt. If they stop, interest rates in the US would rise dramatically. Either he didn't get that, or was lying. It was a program of a snake-oil salesman, who flip-flopped on very major issue. If you watch analysis of his style and work at Bain, he never did anything unless it was a "slam-dunk" certainty, and even then he hesitated. He's not even a good judge of "risk". His fellow partners at Bain, do not think much of him. He made a bundle. He is NOT not exceptional leader, by any stretch. He's a "cliche spouting" PR guy.

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07-11-2012, 12:44 PM
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He makes me want to kill myself.

A girl just came up to me and was like:
"I would rather you stop talking about politics, before someone gets mad. And it ain't pretty when someone gets mad." Evil_monster lol
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07-11-2012, 01:54 PM
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(07-11-2012 12:44 PM)xLegendofLink096x Wrote:  He makes me want to kill myself.

A girl just came up to me and was like:
"I would rather you stop talking about politics, before someone gets mad. And it ain't pretty when someone gets mad." Evil_monster lol
Wait, who makes you want to kill yourself?

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07-11-2012, 02:20 PM
RE: It's Obama - 4 more years
I'm glad it's over, and even more glad that Obama gets re-elected. I had expected a long and drawn-out legal battle by the GOP if things were close.

Anyway, I cast my blue vote in my red county for all the good it did!

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Thankfully Ohio didn't let us down. Thank you Ohio- your votes are the only ones that count anyway.

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07-11-2012, 02:22 PM
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The business of "job creation" is a myth. The president can't "create jobs".
He, together with the Congress can create an environment that favors job creation.
The present environment is still working itself out from the toxic environment made from the last Republican Admin.
There are at least 3 aspect to this : (besides the banking and bailout fraud).
a. There ARE millions of jobs, TODAY, open, that are going begging, as the horrid US education system has not prepared the US people with the specialized skills needed in a postindustrial, specialized market place. (they would rather fight about crap like creationism, and avoid the real issues).
b. the transition from the old paradigm of in-person classrooms, and to the FAR less expensive internet, for the basics, pre "seminar" based education. The brick and mortar schools will have to change radically, and offer what they do at a FAR less cost. Kids cannot afford to run up 100,000 plus in debt.
c. I need to read me some Friedman, and Economists, (any lurking here I would LOVE to talk about thsi or get link to this), but there is a fundamental shift going on from a manufacturing economy to a service economy, and we are just beginning this. Also a shift from "central cities" to suburb centers, etc etc for job sites.

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