It's not god's fault, it's ours because we have free will
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28-05-2014, 06:40 AM
RE: It's not god's fault, it's ours because we have free will
Yeah. My teacher, Virgil Donati, has come close. I think perhaps he achieved it. But then the subjective opinions of others may disagree.

And so we keep trying....Smartass

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28-05-2014, 08:08 AM
RE: It's not god's fault, it's ours because we have free will
(27-05-2014 12:47 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  
(27-05-2014 12:13 PM)Vosur Wrote:  He's got you there, KC. Consider

Moot point.

I don't believe in free will.

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28-05-2014, 09:18 AM
RE: It's not god's fault, it's ours because we have free will
My free will has never interfered with anyone elses free will and moral integrity. My free will has never stopped a fire fighter from helping me as my house was on fire. My free will never stopped a doctor in the middle of a life saving surgery.

Lastly my free will has never prevented modern feats of engineering nor any medical advancements that have cured billions that would have otherwise died.

How the fuck does my free will stop a god from being a decent caring being who is fully aware of every consequence of his inaction ?

The only way it makes any kind of sense is when the god in question doesn't actually exist in the first damn place

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28-05-2014, 11:28 AM
RE: It's not god's fault, it's ours because we have free will
So in the eyes of god, Is the free will of the rapist who wants to rape more important than the free will of the victim who doesn't want to be raped?

Seem like free will only favours the strong and not the weak.
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28-05-2014, 11:52 AM
RE: It's not god's fault, it's ours because we have free will
(28-05-2014 11:28 AM)TheStraightener Wrote:  So in the eyes of god, Is the free will of the rapist who wants to rape more important than the free will of the victim who doesn't want to be raped?

Seem like free will only favours the strong and not the weak.

If free will favors the strong that would seem to make any god impotent in power

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29-05-2014, 11:43 AM
RE: It's not god's fault, it's ours because we have free will
I don't believe in free will. The feeling of free will is a illusion.
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29-05-2014, 05:58 PM
Question RE: It's not god's fault, it's ours because we have free will
Expensive will is always preferable to free will.
There is no such thing as a free dinner.

If we are simply god's experimental play things then that's a shame.......

If we are weirdly 'part' of a thoughtful and evolving cosmos........well!#*<Consider
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29-05-2014, 06:15 PM
RE: It's not god's fault, it's ours because we have free will
(27-05-2014 10:39 AM)Chrisinfp Wrote:  How do you deal with the line if argument that god gave us free will and we have chosen to be bad.
God = good
Us = bad children
It's silly For me it seems that any god would have programmed us differently as to avoid all the centuries of killing

I say that God is supposed to be all-knowing, which means that he already knew what the outcome was going to be before it happened. Therefore, it IS his fault!

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29-05-2014, 08:48 PM
RE: It's not god's fault, it's ours because we have free will
Man is the most insane species. He worships an invisible God and destroys a visible Nature. Unaware that this Nature that he has been destroying is this God he's worshiping.

~ Hubert Reeves

I like the quote and this seems like a good place for it.

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30-05-2014, 09:03 AM
RE: It's not god's fault, it's ours because we have free will
(27-05-2014 10:39 AM)Chrisinfp Wrote:  How do you deal with the line if argument that god gave us free will and we have chosen to be bad.
God = good
Us = bad children
It's silly For me it seems that any god would have programmed us differently as to avoid all the centuries of killing

I agree with it.
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