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29-12-2010, 02:45 PM
RE: It takes more faith to be an Atheist
Cool, I agree with Theketotola, going to give him reputation lol. Because I'm in Canada, even though religion really isn't big here, people don't really talk about it, we just all live with it with no violence.

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Well, We all know religions don't have answers to everything, because of no evidence. Its all belief without evidence.

Science has lots of answers, still getting hard earn evidence for their conclusion. The knowledge of science!
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30-12-2010, 08:52 AM
RE: It takes more faith to be an Atheist
I got that "It takes more faith to be an Atheist" argument once.
It was quickly abandoned when I said something like "Possible... Could you define "faith" for me so we both know what we are talking about" Tuns out he came on with the "blind faith" concept. He could totally not understand the "uncertainty" I could live with.
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We started the discussion on agreeing we would never convert each-other. (takes a lot of stress out off the discussion)

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17-07-2014, 11:05 AM
RE: It takes more faith to be an Atheist
(23-12-2010 07:08 PM)TruthAddict Wrote:  
(21-12-2010 09:59 PM)TheSixthGlass Wrote:  As to the second part, I think I meant something more along the lines of the fact that we recognize that there are limits to our scientific knowledge. Science is the greatest tool that we've ever created for determining the nature of reality. But there is of course a chance that there will be things that science cannot answer, and there are certainly things that we don't have definitive answers for right now. The difference is that atheists will admit when we don't have answers instead of making something up. We are willing to accept "I don't know" or "I don't know yet" as answers.

Better?

I think there is where the faith lies, and I think it is faith in science, which does not necessarily faith on the part of atheism. I have "faith" if you will, a confidence, that that which we do not yet know we will eventually discover through science, and there is nothing out there that cannot be explained by science, given enough time, money, resources, etc...

But then again, it isn't blind faith. It is a confidence I have gained simply by using the inductive method while examining the inductive method. So far, the abilities of science to explain everything have held tight. I see no reason for that trend to reverse in the future.

Just something to think about. I know we atheist hate this accusation because it is often made by theists, but I think there is a fundamental "faith" that we rest on, at least in regards to science. Feel free to rip me to shreds.

Lol, no ripping to shreds just dont agree with your definition of faith. I always look to hebrews 11 when discussing theistic faith. Is this the same faith that an atheist can have? No of course not. Do we have "faith" persay? Well, if you define faith as a reasonable expectation due to trial and error, then yes I would agree. I have faith (reasonable expectation) that when i put the car key into the ignition, the car will start. it's not the same as theistic faith.
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17-07-2014, 04:59 PM
RE: It takes more faith to be an Atheist
(21-12-2010 02:42 AM)TheKetola Wrote:  What is with this argument and being the first thing that any half-decent theist with throw at you?

Great! Faith is supposed to be good right. Then if we have more then we're BETTER!!!!

But seriously, Any more when someone says this to me I just chalk them up as being too stupid to be worth my time to explain to them why they are wrong.

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17-07-2014, 05:03 PM
RE: It takes more faith to be an Atheist
Dates people Beat_stick this shit was 4 years ago!

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17-07-2014, 05:22 PM
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(21-12-2010 09:09 AM)zaybu Wrote:  It's an underhanded attempt by theists that atheists have also faith, and therefore it validates their own position of having faith. What they want to ignore or are trying to obfuscate is that atheist's beliefs are based on evidence, while theirs have no evidence supporting them.

I was going to say something along those lines, but it seems you have beaten me to it. Bravo!


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17-07-2014, 05:51 PM
RE: It takes more faith to be an Atheist
(17-07-2014 05:03 PM)kim Wrote:  Dates people Beat_stick this shit was 4 years ago!

There have been a lot of resurrected ancient threads lately. I think perhaps some people may have not noticed the date of thread on the top left of the original post. Smile

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17-07-2014, 05:59 PM
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(17-07-2014 05:03 PM)kim Wrote:  Dates people Beat_stick this shit was 4 years ago!

This thread isn't very long, but it sure has a lot of reads!

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17-07-2014, 06:16 PM
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Fucking 4 year necro?

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17-07-2014, 06:20 PM
RE: It takes more faith to be an Atheist
(17-07-2014 11:05 AM)StewpidMonkey Wrote:  
(23-12-2010 07:08 PM)TruthAddict Wrote:  I think there is where the faith lies, and I think it is faith in science, which does not necessarily faith on the part of atheism. I have "faith" if you will, a confidence, that that which we do not yet know we will eventually discover through science, and there is nothing out there that cannot be explained by science, given enough time, money, resources, etc...

But then again, it isn't blind faith. It is a confidence I have gained simply by using the inductive method while examining the inductive method. So far, the abilities of science to explain everything have held tight. I see no reason for that trend to reverse in the future.

Just something to think about. I know we atheist hate this accusation because it is often made by theists, but I think there is a fundamental "faith" that we rest on, at least in regards to science. Feel free to rip me to shreds.

Lol, no ripping to shreds just dont agree with your definition of faith. I always look to hebrews 11 when discussing theistic faith. Is this the same faith that an atheist can have? No of course not. Do we have "faith" persay? Well, if you define faith as a reasonable expectation due to trial and error, then yes I would agree. I have faith (reasonable expectation) that when i put the car key into the ignition, the car will start. it's not the same as theistic faith.

Believing something on faith and believing something based on reasonable expectation are 2 vastly different propositions.

One is an evidence based belief and the other is not. Don't mix the 2.
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