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12-12-2011, 12:22 PM
RE: Its December! Christmas is coming! Lets celebrate the Virgin Birth!
(12-12-2011 12:06 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(12-12-2011 11:46 AM)zaika Wrote:  our great great great great great great ad nauseum grandchildren have unlocked the secrets of interdimensional travel and were the ones who gave us the technological "nudges" to advance our civilization

Unfortunately, that is a paradox. You'll have to gloss that one over.

hahaha I know. LOL I'm thinking that this particular facet won't make it into my comic book. But I still like the idea. Wink

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12-12-2011, 09:36 PM
RE: Its December! Christmas is coming! Lets celebrate the Virgin Birth!
(12-12-2011 11:46 AM)zaika Wrote:  Uh...well, the one I'm focused on working out in my head now involves the (not new) notion that our universe is multidimensional. My fantasy theory (key word FANTASY lol) suggests that our great great great great great great ad nauseum grandchildren have unlocked the secrets of interdimensional travel and were the ones who gave us the technological "nudges" to advance our civilization. It is not a stretch to suggest that if our ancient ancestors saw someone from the future, that they would not be interpreted as angels or gods. My fantasy theory also suggests that at certain points and at certain times, the "veil" between dimensions (time and space) thins and I love positing that this explains paranormal activity, cryptozoology, and aliens. Everything exists at the same time and the same place, but in different dimensions and sometimes those dimensions collide. It's very simplistic and not at all based in science...although taken from bits and pieces of stuff I read or hear. Y'know...like the string theory stuff. And I just took a basic physics class (algebra based, so nothing complicated) and that has helped me look at this better.

I'm actually incorporating this theory into a comic book (mostly likely a web comic) sci fi/fantasy series that I'm developing. It's gonna be epic, if I can actually execute it. lol

How did I miss this post? Yes! Great fantasy theory. I just watched a movie on Netflix Streaming that addresses the paradox (doesn't solve it, but there's a cool twist to it). It's called Lunopolis and was made as a sort of "mockumentary" movie. Since you're a Comics Babe, you might like it.

Another good story to use for your background "research" is Millenium. The movie was pretty poorly made, but read the book. Our great grands of the future have figured out time travel and they travel to the past to steal human body parts from great catastrophes to use to keep themselves alive in the future. Example: An airplane is about to crash. They pop in from the future and remove the passengers and replace them with simulacrums of some sort, then they pop out and the plane crashes as it was destined to do. Love those inter-dimensional stories.

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17-12-2011, 11:57 AM
RE: Its December! Christmas is coming! Lets celebrate the Virgin Birth!
Merry F'n Xmas.




It was just a fucking apple man, we're sorry okay? Please stop the madness Laugh out load
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20-03-2012, 11:43 PM
RE: Its December! Christmas is coming! Lets celebrate the Virgin Birth!
sorry, I can't resist...one of my academic rants. I should have seen this thread a LOT earlier.

From a previous post of mine ....
The so-called "virgin birth" is one of the PRIME examples where there is development of an off-the-wall notion, based on a translation, of a MIS-translation, of a translation, which is then taken out of context, and solidified as doctrine, and driven over the cliff.

To wit :
a. Background :
Isaiah 7 talks about the history of King Ahaz, son of Jotham, the son of Uzziah, who was king of Judah. At the time, King Rezin of Aram and Pekah, son of Remaliah, King of Israel, marched up to fight against Jerusalem, and the campaign was long and protracted. See the Syro-Ephraimite War, (Wikipedia : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syro-Ephraimite_War ), and it happened in the 8th Century (734) BC. When Ahaz was loosing faith, Isaiah went to visit him, and told him to "buck up", keep the faith, and continue the war, and told him that the SIGN from god, that they were favored, was that one of his wives, (a "woman of marriageable age") would be found to be with child. The SIGN was the CHILD, (and NOT the manner of the birth). ...."And they shall name him Emmanuel" which means "god is with us". The CHILD was the SIGN.

b. Any devout Jew in the time of the Roman occupation, (around 60 AD), would know that story, from Isaiah, and when they heard the words "a woman, (of marriageable age) will be found to be with child" they would connect the stories in their brains, and recognize that the gospel text's intention was to remind them of the Isaiah story, and would "harken" back to it, and realize the intent of the author was to claim that THIS child also was a sign. The general intent of the Gospel of Matthew was to claim the fulfillment of the various prophesies regarding the messiah, and this one was another one of those claims/stories of fulfillment.

c. The word "virgin" is a mistranslation, of a translation. So WE have a translation, of a mis-translation, of a translation. Matthew, writing in Greek about the "virgin birth" of Jesus, quotes the Septuagint text of Isaiah 7:14-16, which uses the Greek word "παρθένος" (parthenos,), (we still use the term "parthenogenesis") while the original Hebrew text has "עלמה" (almah), which has the slightly wider meaning of an unmarried, betrothed,or newly wed woman such as in the case of Ahaz' betrothed Abijah, daughter of Zechariah. He NEVER meant to imply that he was asserting "gynecological" claims, and THAT whole business was "off-the-wall", a mistranslation, taken to ridiculous extremes, by interpreters who missed the point. THE CHILD was the sign.

Also interesting that Matthew (1:25) only says that Joseph "knew her not till she brought forth her firstborn son". It does NOT say she REMAINED a virgin. (??)

See also : Mother Goddess, ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_goddess ) and Joseph Campbell, ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goddess ) and Courtly Love, ( http://cla.calpoly.edu/~dschwart/engl513...ourtly.htm ). The business of Mary, and her idealized state, was extremely important in the civilization/culture of the West, and in some circles remains very important today, (Lourdes & claims of "Marian" apparitions" etc., etc.)

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21-03-2012, 12:46 AM
RE: Its December! Christmas is coming! Lets celebrate the Virgin Birth!
(17-12-2011 11:57 AM)Erxomai Wrote:  Merry F'n Xmas.




^ Agree with this.





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21-03-2012, 01:25 PM
RE: Its December! Christmas is coming! Lets celebrate the Virgin Birth!
Christmas is just a "Christian" interpretation of Germanic and Roman pagan rituals? Hans Brix? OH NOOO!

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