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25-11-2014, 06:33 PM
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(25-11-2014 05:49 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  ANd just how many have you encountered. 2 ? You are 12 years old right ?

He remembers the '68 riots. That worries me even more than if he was 12.

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25-11-2014, 06:35 PM
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(25-11-2014 01:49 PM)Im a humble little Theist Wrote:  
(25-11-2014 01:16 PM)Impulse Wrote:  I'm an atheist and I never even heard of the Humanist Manifesto until you mentioned it. I certainly don't follow it. Those who do are only one specific subset of atheists and most likely the overwhelming minority. Yet, you base your view of atheists as a whole on that one document and arbitrarily label it as the "highest of reliable atheist sources".

That's just the beginning of all that you got wrong.

Please read carefully: There is nothing in atheism that can be accurately labeled "religion". Doing so by anyone, including you, merely exemplifies ignorance on the subject.

Why is so important to you to label atheism as religion anyway? It does nothing for proving the existence of any god and so it does nothing to support your theistic viewpoint. Consider


Youre a professed Atheist and yet you've never heard of the official written atheist Secular Humanist Manifestos !!??? Sheesh....and I get accused of 'not understanding atheism' . Why don't you read them because they represent the foundational general affirmations that every Atheist ive ever encountered believes in. It covers everything from the atheist worldview of materialism and naturalism, origins, moral relativism including sexual relativism , and everything in between.

Its not important 'for me to label atheism as a religion' -- its simply what it is except its secular in nature. A religion doesn't have to have the elements of supernaturalism in it ; Humanism officially defines itself as a RELIGION yet it denies the supernatural. What IS troubling to me is that Humanists only want their religious ideology taught in American public schools and not even neutral Intelligent Design because of the religious implications there is to it. That's bigotry . The majority of Students want ALL sides of the issue taught so they can decide for themselves which is more logic. But they grow in ignorance not knowing just how incredibly engineered this Universe has to be with the scientifically CONFIRMED Parameters we have as a reality needed for Earth to be here and for life to exist. Even the majority of adult Atheists fall prey to this ignorance (and by using the term 'ignorance' im not speaking of stupidity...but rather a complete lack of fundamental knowledge of reality)

um public schools are places of learning. Intelligent design (lol what an oxymoronic name) is pseudo-science, and has no basis in reality, is not observable or testable, thus it falls into the category of fantasy..or philosophy, but it does not fall into education. Telling children that the earth is 6,000 years old and that adam and eve used to ride dinosaurs, and that all of this came together because an invisible super genie blew into a handful of dirt and created man is the very epitome of lies, brain-washing and absurdity.

I used to just ignore religion as it has no meaning to me, but then again, as I have stated before I can no longer just look the other way. You have to study the effects of religion, and most major religions to be able to identify the bad emotional impacts subjugation causes. Also on the thought that "why take away faith if it helps people get through the day"...I've never really understood how removing a bad way to reason will make it difficult to get through the day. If anything, it would seem that correcting someone's reasoning would significantly increase their chances of getting through their day.

With reliable forms of reasoning comes the capability of crafting conditions that enable people to navigate life's obstacles. By using a more reliable form of reasoning, people are more capable of bringing about conditions that enable them to flourish.

To argue that people need faith is to abandon hope, and to condescend and accuse the faithful of being incapable of understanding the importance of reason and rationality. There are better and worse ways to come to terms with death, to find strength during times of personal crisis, to make meaning and purpose in our lives, to interpret our sense of awe and wonder, and to contribute to human well-being...and the faithful are completely capable of understanding and achieving this..if they would only try.

You are at a distinct disadvantage, you believe in a fairy tale, a fairy tale based on a discredited, easily dismantled and disproven fictional book, filled with allegorical writings by communities of followers who penned them under more known author's names, pseudepigrapha by definition. Now if you wanted to discuss the philosophical theories of god then that would be a different, albeit subjective discussion, but if you cling to the bible as argument from authority, then you are beyond help. the world isn't flat, there isn't enough water on or in the planet to flood the world as per the mythical global flood that never happened, and jesus christ super star the miracle performing zombie didnt exist either as all writings of him were penned after his death by people who never witnessed the alleged events. Seek knowledge, it will help you with your 'faith".

Now stop hiding in the intro thread and come get a schooling.

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"The Christian community continues to exist because the conclusions of the critical study of the Bible are largely withheld from them." -Hans Conzelmann (1915-1989)
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25-11-2014, 06:48 PM (This post was last modified: 25-11-2014 06:56 PM by Deidre32.)
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(25-11-2014 12:27 PM)Im a humble little Theist Wrote:  
(24-11-2014 11:59 AM)Deidre32 Wrote:  This is where I believe Richard Dawkins has sort of done a disservice to atheism. While I admire his tenacity, he nearly embraces science as a religion, and it causes many theists to think we (as atheists) all collectively beat that same drum. We don't.

OP, unlike theism, atheists don't 'follow any particular leader.' There's no pope, pastor or deacon to guide us by the hand, for atheism isn't about being guided by the hand. It's not a religion. It is a place one comes to when realizing that reality, despite its flaws, is better than any fantasy known as religion.

The 'Leader' that Atheists follow is what atheistic Secular Humanism declares as the Leader ... and that is : SELF . Its even layed out in consise formal affirmations as found in the Humanist Manifesto and represents what all atheistic Humanists agree with . Its all about making SELF ones own 'god' instead of making the real Creator of our Universe the authority of Ones life . Even the Humanist creed of 'Man is the center of all things' validates what im saying. The trouble is, whenever Man plays God, it is a recipe for moral disaster.......precisely what we have today because God is hated, shunned, and is viewed as a kill-joy to immoral fun. Its been this way thruout history with the man made religion of Atheism and Man wanting to be a 'god' calling his own shots in life. What supreme arrogance for the sake of willful rebellion.

As for atheistic Secular Humanism being a religion....it is a worldview religion based on FAITH with strong appeal to pseudo-science . It certainly doesn't come from real science . If you care to read this Formal Debate I had recently, you will see that providing you can accept the stark truth behind the charade so many are willing to play : http://www.christianforums.com/t7841230

One of the reasons I left Christianity, is this notion that being true to thine own self is somehow ''evil,'' or ''immoral.'' It's not. The reason you think this is because Christianity came up with the fallacy that ''free will,'' is somehow a betrayal of Bible God. When someone ''sins,'' well...that's because God gave everyone ''free will.''

If God gave you free will, why would it be evil, then?

I'm just me. I don't subscribe to all of these neurotic notions that you have adopted and construe as positives, because you have convinced yourself that this god of love would wish this on you.

If that is your view of a god, you can have ''him''. If salvation and heaven requires me to hate myself, you can have that, too.

I say this with the best of intent. Big Grin

I'll leave you with these questions to answer, if only to yourself: do you treat people whom you care about in the way you describe your god? Seeing that he/it is a god of conditions, do you love others in your life, in that manner, as well? Seeing that in order to follow Christianity, one must strive for the same traits as god exhibits, yes? So, do you cast people into a fiery furnace when they don't meet your umm....expectations?

if the answer is no...why do you follow a god that does what you yourself couldn't imagine doing to those you claim to 'love?'

Be true to yourself. Heart
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25-11-2014, 11:05 PM
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(25-11-2014 06:48 PM)Deidre32 Wrote:  if the answer is no...why do you follow a god that does what you yourself couldn't imagine doing to those you claim to 'love?'

BRAVO! Heart I'll never chuck you in a fiery furnace Deidre32 Smile

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(06-02-2014 03:47 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  And I'm giving myself a conclusion again from all the facepalming.
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26-11-2014, 09:14 AM
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(25-11-2014 01:49 PM)WillHopp Wrote:  I was banned from that site for suggesting watching porn isn't a sin.

Im glad to hear that. Watching Porn is a sin and you shouldn't be promoting it as if it is permissible and correct to do. How would you like your little sister being sexually exploited on a screen ? Christ can change you inwardly if you let him and you will welcome the change.
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26-11-2014, 09:17 AM
RE: Its a pleasure to be among you
(26-11-2014 09:14 AM)Im a humble little Theist Wrote:  
(25-11-2014 01:49 PM)WillHopp Wrote:  I was banned from that site for suggesting watching porn isn't a sin.

Im glad to hear that. Watching Porn is a sin and you shouldn't be promoting it as if it is permissible and correct to do. How would you like your little sister being sexually exploited on a screen ? Christ can change you inwardly if you let him and you will welcome the change.

Sin is a concept designed to control the masses. Thus endeth the lesson.

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26-11-2014, 09:18 AM
RE: Its a pleasure to be among you
(26-11-2014 09:14 AM)Im a humble little Theist Wrote:  
(25-11-2014 01:49 PM)WillHopp Wrote:  I was banned from that site for suggesting watching porn isn't a sin.

Im glad to hear that. Watching Porn is a sin and you shouldn't be promoting it as if it is permissible and correct to do. How would you like your little sister being sexually exploited on a screen ? Christ can change you inwardly if you let him and you will welcome the change.

Who is this christ you speak of? Can you give me one person who wrote of him who actually met him??? Smartass

"Belief is so often the death of reason" - Qyburn, Game of Thrones

"The Christian community continues to exist because the conclusions of the critical study of the Bible are largely withheld from them." -Hans Conzelmann (1915-1989)
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26-11-2014, 09:20 AM
RE: Its a pleasure to be among you
(25-11-2014 06:48 PM)Deidre32 Wrote:  
(25-11-2014 12:27 PM)Im a humble little Theist Wrote:  The 'Leader' that Atheists follow is what atheistic Secular Humanism declares as the Leader ... and that is : SELF . Its even layed out in consise formal affirmations as found in the Humanist Manifesto and represents what all atheistic Humanists agree with . Its all about making SELF ones own 'god' instead of making the real Creator of our Universe the authority of Ones life . Even the Humanist creed of 'Man is the center of all things' validates what im saying. The trouble is, whenever Man plays God, it is a recipe for moral disaster.......precisely what we have today because God is hated, shunned, and is viewed as a kill-joy to immoral fun. Its been this way thruout history with the man made religion of Atheism and Man wanting to be a 'god' calling his own shots in life. What supreme arrogance for the sake of willful rebellion.

As for atheistic Secular Humanism being a religion....it is a worldview religion based on FAITH with strong appeal to pseudo-science . It certainly doesn't come from real science . If you care to read this Formal Debate I had recently, you will see that providing you can accept the stark truth behind the charade so many are willing to play : http://www.christianforums.com/t7841230

One of the reasons I left Christianity, is this notion that being true to thine own self is somehow ''evil,'' or ''immoral.'' It's not. The reason you think this is because Christianity came up with the fallacy that ''free will,'' is somehow a betrayal of Bible God. When someone ''sins,'' well...that's because God gave everyone ''free will.''

If God gave you free will, why would it be evil, then?

I'm just me. I don't subscribe to all of these neurotic notions that you have adopted and construe as positives, because you have convinced yourself that this god of love would wish this on you.

If that is your view of a god, you can have ''him''. If salvation and heaven requires me to hate myself, you can have that, too.

I say this with the best of intent. Big Grin

I'll leave you with these questions to answer, if only to yourself: do you treat people whom you care about in the way you describe your god? Seeing that he/it is a god of conditions, do you love others in your life, in that manner, as well? Seeing that in order to follow Christianity, one must strive for the same traits as god exhibits, yes? So, do you cast people into a fiery furnace when they don't meet your umm....expectations?

if the answer is no...why do you follow a god that does what you yourself couldn't imagine doing to those you claim to 'love?'

WHen you make SELF the guiding authority so you can live as you like regardless of right and wrong, then you have overstepped your boundaries . God deserved to be number one in all our lives with the benefit of living for his loving protective moral mandates which help us to enjhoy life without hurting ourselves and others. Just look at what Humanisms ideology has done to this Country which is predicated on making oneself 'god' . Man was never meant to make up his own rules for living and only a willful loving obedience to God and his absolute moral laws will give us the real freedom we are looking for and to fulfill the ultimate purpose in being alive . We are made for relationship with our Creator . When our freewill is directed toward returning the Creators love thru obedience, only then do we find great joy , peace, fulfillment, and meaning . The world cannot give peace to our Souls....it only takes becauswe of GodLESS philosophies.
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26-11-2014, 09:23 AM
RE: Its a pleasure to be among you
(26-11-2014 09:14 AM)Im a humble little Theist Wrote:  
(25-11-2014 01:49 PM)WillHopp Wrote:  I was banned from that site for suggesting watching porn isn't a sin.

Im glad to hear that. Watching Porn is a sin and you shouldn't be promoting it as if it is permissible and correct to do. How would you like your little sister being sexually exploited on a screen ? Christ can change you inwardly if you let him and you will welcome the change.

Can the sexual act be judged by intention between consenting adults?
Why or why not?

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26-11-2014, 09:30 AM
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(26-11-2014 09:20 AM)Im a humble little Theist Wrote:  
(25-11-2014 06:48 PM)Deidre32 Wrote:  One of the reasons I left Christianity, is this notion that being true to thine own self is somehow ''evil,'' or ''immoral.'' It's not. The reason you think this is because Christianity came up with the fallacy that ''free will,'' is somehow a betrayal of Bible God. When someone ''sins,'' well...that's because God gave everyone ''free will.''

If God gave you free will, why would it be evil, then?

I'm just me. I don't subscribe to all of these neurotic notions that you have adopted and construe as positives, because you have convinced yourself that this god of love would wish this on you.

If that is your view of a god, you can have ''him''. If salvation and heaven requires me to hate myself, you can have that, too.

I say this with the best of intent. Big Grin

I'll leave you with these questions to answer, if only to yourself: do you treat people whom you care about in the way you describe your god? Seeing that he/it is a god of conditions, do you love others in your life, in that manner, as well? Seeing that in order to follow Christianity, one must strive for the same traits as god exhibits, yes? So, do you cast people into a fiery furnace when they don't meet your umm....expectations?

if the answer is no...why do you follow a god that does what you yourself couldn't imagine doing to those you claim to 'love?'

WHen you make SELF the guiding authority so you can live as you like regardless of right and wrong, then you have overstepped your boundaries . God deserved to be number one in all our lives with the benefit of living for his loving protective moral mandates which help us to enjhoy life without hurting ourselves and others. Just look at what Humanisms ideology has done to this Country which is predicated on making oneself 'god' . Man was never meant to make up his own rules for living and only a willful loving obedience to God and his absolute moral laws will give us the real freedom we are looking for and to fulfill the ultimate purpose in being alive . We are made for relationship with our Creator . When our freewill is directed toward returning the Creators love thru obedience, only then do we find great joy , peace, fulfillment, and meaning . The world cannot give peace to our Souls....it only takes becauswe of GodLESS philosophies.

Which god?

Psalms 82.1

Let’s take a look at Psalms 82.1:

New International Version
A psalm of Asaph. God presides in the great assembly; he renders judgment among the "gods":

New Living Translation
A psalm of Asaph. God presides over heaven's court; he pronounces judgment on the heavenly beings:

English Standard Version
A Psalm of Asaph. God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment:

New American Standard Bible
A Psalm of Asaph. God takes His stand in His own congregation; He judges in the midst of the rulers.

King James Bible
A Psalm of Asaph. God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
A psalm of Asaph. God has taken His place in the divine assembly; He judges among the gods:"

International Standard Version
God takes his stand in the divine assembly; among the divine beings he renders judgment:

NET Bible
A psalm of Asaph. God stands in the assembly of El; in the midst of the gods he renders judgment.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
God stands in the assembly of the Angels and among the Angels he will judge.

GOD'S WORD Translation
[A psalm by Asaph.] God takes his place in his own assembly. He pronounces judgment among the gods:

Jubilee Bible 2000
God stands in the congregation of the mighty; he judges among the gods.

King James 2000 Bible
God stands in the congregation of the mighty; he judges among the gods.

American King James Version
God stands in the congregation of the mighty; he judges among the gods.

American Standard Version
God standeth in the congregation of God; He judgeth among the gods.

Douay-Rheims Bible
A psalm for Asaph. God hath stood in the congregation of gods: and being in the midst of them he judgeth gods.

Darby Bible Translation
{A Psalm of Asaph.} God standeth in the assembly of God, he judgeth among the gods.

English Revised Version
A Psalm of Asaph. God standeth in the congregation of God; he judgeth among the gods.

Webster's Bible Translation
A Psalm of Asaph. God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.

World English Bible
God presides in the great assembly. He judges among the gods.

Young's Literal Translation
-- A Psalm of Asaph. God hath stood in the company of God, In the midst God doth judge.

Notice the vast majority are in line with the KJV, some others have taken creative license to change the word gods (plural) to "angels", "divine beings" or "rulers" lol......yeah. The oldest version on this list I believe is the Douay-Rheims, which *gasp* says the same thing as the KJV. Now, you can tear down each of these versions one way or another and identify translation errors (speaking of translation errors only, as all bibles can be easily and systematically debunked) , because that is now widely known among biblical scholars. Read your bible, actually read it, think, evolve beyond the myth.

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