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30-12-2014, 04:57 PM
RE: Ivan Panin's "Proof".
(30-12-2014 04:48 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(30-12-2014 04:07 PM)dancefortwo Wrote:  People like this always think they know something special that no one else knows, it makes them feel superior to others.

There seems to be an epidemic of this shit on TTA this month.
End times, no doubt. Facepalm

Don’t say that! Diddo might show up.

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30-12-2014, 05:00 PM
RE: Ivan Panin's "Proof".
(30-12-2014 03:09 PM)JesuisSean Wrote:  ... prove that the code language that I have exposed is just trash ...

Easily done, without needing to know or discuss anything whatsoever about the methodology. One has only to look at what's claimed: the hidden code reveals foreknowledge of future events/personalities in texts that predate the events/personalities by many hundreds of years.

If true, what would be the most useful thing to do immediately? Right: apply the method used to find the messages to identify events/personalities still in the future. That's why the messages are there, one has to conclude, to serve as advance notice so that they can be prepared for. What other purpose would there be?

Nowhere in all that has been written about this method has anyone posted a list of future events/personalities we need to be alerted to. Most tellingly, no such list has been posted with DATES, alerting us as to WHEN the events/personalities will occur. After all, if a personality event is still 600 years in the future, we can give it less priority than an event/personality less than a year away.

What's very striking about all the messages revealed so far is that NONE of them have dates associated with them. Dates that would mean anything. All the messages found so far would have been useless to anyone finding them AFTERWARD.

Without dates, the exercise is pointless.

One must surmise that whatever agent deliberately contrived these messages was not doing so pointlessly. But without dates, what was the point? And why is there no list of future events/personalities with dates?

The method is garbage because it has no point.

It's also garbage because the method was impossible to apply until everything disclosed so far had already happened. No one 500 years ago, even hypothesizing that such a method might find something, would have been able to do it. The method requires computational power that has only recently become possible.

So it's not only pointless, but it requires high powered computation to contrive something this pointless. There may be stupider things to waste energy on, but not many.
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30-12-2014, 05:42 PM
RE: Ivan Panin's "Proof".
I went back and read the link I provided again, that was a pretty fun read. He takes various spacing algorithms and runs them through a given text and it generates all kinds of words.

He ran the original Hebrew text from the bible, The King James version, and the text from the U.S. Supreme Court’s 1987 ruling on Edwards v. Aguillard (a well-known ruling on creationism of 100,000 characters.)

All texts generated words like Newt (as in Gingrich), Oprah, Bill Clinton, etc.

Note that words like Newt and Bill Clinton had more relevance back in the 90's, when this article was written. It shows that whatever words you are looking for pop up in whatever text that you apply it to. He also changed the step values to see what different values generated, in every case, it would yield words that you were looking for.
Very damning to this entire method of looking for hidden codes.

What's more, he could tell the computer algorithm to run several variants of stepping and it would report how often a certain word would show up depending on what stepping value was used. So a dishonest person could simply go looking for something and tell the computer to find it and then claim it was some kind of secret revealed code when all it was, was a computer searching and chewing through letters to find things that the user made it look for.

Hidden Messages and The Bible Code

So yeah, Dave Thomas thoroughly debunked this and it's unfortunate that people can still be taken in by this silliness.

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30-12-2014, 05:52 PM (This post was last modified: 30-12-2014 07:58 PM by Full Circle.)
RE: Ivan Panin's "Proof".
Analogy of Bible Codes to Stock Picking

Have any of you ever invested in the stock market? If so have you read any of the myriad of books out there explaining how to read charts? People who do this for a living are called Chartists and what they do is called Technical Analysis.
http://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/chartist.asp

In short they look for price movements in stock prices and use these “formations and patterns” to predict whether the stock price will go up or down in the future.

Invariably they get it wrong, they console themselves by saying that they should have seen the “reverse head-and-shoulder pattern immediately after the new low price had been set two weeks after earnings were announced but 17 days before the new moon.” It is nonsense but people swear by it. They make enough “right” predictions to make them believe they’re on to something. Now, mind you that their right prediction % is in line with random probability, but these folks will never believe you.

They are absolutely convinced that future price movement can be “read” from past price movement. They come up with “rules” on how to read the tea leaves that are so ambiguous and with so many exceptions that they are worthless.

Given enough time these Chartists can force-fit data into past results. They are in effect data-mining to make the price movement conform to their rules. Great for when you are looking in the rear-view mirror, worthless for predicting tomorrows price action.

This brings us to Bible Codes. It has already been shown that if you have the time and inclination to see patterns where non exist you too can come up with “rules” on how to structure the Bible (force-fit and data-mine) to make it say whatever you want. I could probably show where in Deuteronomy the directions to my house are given if I toyed with long enough.

In the end all that this Bible Code is is a mental masturbation by people who, like dancefortwo said, “...think they know something special that no one else knows, it makes them feel superior to others.”

One last word: In 2008 Warren Buffet, The Oracle of Omaha, 2nd richest man on the planet made a $1.3 million bet with five hedge funds that in ten years he would make more money by simply “buying” a mutual fund that invests in the entire market vs the hedge fund gurus picking and choosing. After six years Warren is up 43% while the gurus are up 14%. It is, as Burton Malkiel wrote, a Random Walk after all. http://site.iugaza.edu.ps/wdaya/files/20...Street.pdf

(Warren’s bet read here)
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101394085
http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/...ould-work/

* Technical Analysis http://stockcharts.com/school/doku.php?i...l_analysis
* If interested this book talks about force-fitting data, probability and such.
https://books.google.com/books?id=U5np34...ta&f=false

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30-12-2014, 08:41 PM
RE: Ivan Panin's "Proof".
So, ELS produces some results in every text - but (and here is the loophole I don,t think Dave shut) do some texts produce a significantly different number of results?
Suppose (and surely someone out there has done this) you examined a number of texts - bible , Koran, Edwards, Mein Kanpf, the humanist manifesto, etc, etc, - and looked at the quantity / quality/ skip distance - or whatever factor that might discriminate between , say pure random chance level and some level of significance.

Say supposing the bible and Mein Kanpf Stood out from the rest ......... .???
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30-12-2014, 09:09 PM
RE: Ivan Panin's "Proof".
I'm equally sure no serious researcher has done it because it is fucking nonsense.

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30-12-2014, 09:28 PM
RE: Ivan Panin's "Proof".
(30-12-2014 08:41 PM)Frank! Wrote:  So, ELS produces some results in every text - but (and here is the loophole I don,t think Dave shut) do some texts produce a significantly different number of results?
Suppose (and surely someone out there has done this) you examined a number of texts - bible , Koran, Edwards, Mein Kanpf, the humanist manifesto, etc, etc, - and looked at the quantity / quality/ skip distance - or whatever factor that might discriminate between , say pure random chance level and some level of significance.

Say supposing the bible and Mein Kanpf Stood out from the rest ......... .???

No, all of the texts produced the same statistical results, mostly the number of characters was the primary contributing factor. There were some small variations attributed to the particular variations in alphabet of the various languages.

There were some texts of Nostradamus ran with the French language, they found the same thing.

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31-12-2014, 12:48 AM
RE: Ivan Panin's "Proof".
bingo!?

http://www.biblecodedigest.com/page.php?PageID=9
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31-12-2014, 12:53 AM
RE: Ivan Panin's "Proof".
Show us ONE pile of this crap that was recognized and proved useful BEFORE an event took place to benefit ANYONE .... BEFORE the event.

Take your time.

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31-12-2014, 01:04 AM
RE: Ivan Panin's "Proof".
Say it with me folks.

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