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31-12-2014, 05:56 AM
RE: Ivan Panin's "Proof".
(31-12-2014 12:48 AM)Frank! Wrote:  bingo!?

http://www.biblecodedigest.com/page.php?PageID=9

No.

You clearly have not read anything serious on this - you just want to believe it.

Try this.

And this.

And this.

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31-12-2014, 06:24 AM (This post was last modified: 31-12-2014 06:31 AM by TheInquisition.)
RE: Ivan Panin's "Proof".
(31-12-2014 12:48 AM)Frank! Wrote:  bingo!?

http://www.biblecodedigest.com/page.php?PageID=9

This was described in the article, you just run an algorithm that produces the most results for a given text. You pick which step value gives the best result for a given text. If you ran a series of different step values for the Edwards supreme court decision and found the step value that worked for that particular text, then you could claim you have a "secret" code that works great only for Edwards.

This is a scam! This guy is doing this on purpose because people fall for it and he can generate hits to his website or sell books.

If you wish to be his mark, go right ahead.

I will reiterate the obvious, the bible is a book written by men for political purposes with ZERO divine revelation, the god who they claim inspired them does not exist. How are you going to get any divine knowledge from a book that is based on a myth?

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31-12-2014, 06:36 AM
RE: Ivan Panin's "Proof".
To help save me a little bit of time. What is all this about? I never heard of Ivan Panin.


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31-12-2014, 06:36 AM
RE: Ivan Panin's "Proof".
(31-12-2014 06:24 AM)TheInquisition Wrote:  How are you going to get any divine knowledge from a book that is based on a myth?

Good money says post hoc rationalization.

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31-12-2014, 06:42 AM
RE: Ivan Panin's "Proof".
(31-12-2014 06:36 AM)Shadow Fox Wrote:  To help save me a little bit of time. What is all this about? I never heard of Ivan Panin.

"Ivan Nikolayevitsh Panin (12 December 1855 – 30 October 1942) was a Russian emigrant to the United States who achieved fame for claiming to have discovered numeric patterns in the text of the Hebrew and Greek Bible and for his published work based on his subsequent research."

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31-12-2014, 09:45 AM
RE: Ivan Panin's "Proof".
(31-12-2014 05:56 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(31-12-2014 12:48 AM)Frank! Wrote:  bingo!?

http://www.biblecodedigest.com/page.php?PageID=9

No.

You clearly have not read anything serious on this - you just want to believe it.

Try this.

And this.

And this.

And I always find it interesting that each religion sees codes and prophecies in their own particular holy book but not in some other religious groups' book. A little biased, maybe?

Curiouser and curiouser.

Shakespeare's Comedy of Errors.... on Donald J. Trump:

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Stigmatical in making, worse in mind.
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31-12-2014, 10:03 AM
RE: Ivan Panin's "Proof".
(31-12-2014 12:53 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Show us ONE pile of this crap that was recognized and proved useful BEFORE an event took place to benefit ANYONE .... BEFORE the event.

Take your time.

But...but....what about these guys......? I lost my hammer just last week!




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31-12-2014, 12:03 PM
RE: Ivan Panin's "Proof".
This may come as a shock, so brace yourselves: the proponents/practioners of bible code numerological extractions have NOT tested their methods by conducting test searches for events/personalities THAT NEVER HAPPENED. No one has ever conducted a search for "Reagan Assassinated" or "Nixon Third Term". Or "Martin Luther King President" or "Beatles Yankee Stadium". Sadly, the practitioners of bible code woo lack the integrity to make such tests.

For good reason.

Given the high success of finding everything searched for so far, things that never happened must have just as high a presence in bible codes as things that did. In fact, there are infinitely more things that didn't happen than did, so a properly conducted search would reveal more non-events than events in enormous disproportion.

That would require making unattractive adjustments to the theory. God forbid such a lucrative theory lose market value.
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15-01-2015, 11:19 PM
RE: Ivan Panin's "Proof".
(30-12-2014 05:52 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  Analogy of Bible Codes to Stock Picking

Have any of you ever invested in the stock market? If so have you read any of the myriad of books out there explaining how to read charts? People who do this for a living are called Chartists and what they do is called Technical Analysis.
http://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/chartist.asp

In short they look for price movements in stock prices and use these “formations and patterns” to predict whether the stock price will go up or down in the future.

Invariably they get it wrong, they console themselves by saying that they should have seen the “reverse head-and-shoulder pattern immediately after the new low price had been set two weeks after earnings were announced but 17 days before the new moon.” It is nonsense but people swear by it. They make enough “right” predictions to make them believe they’re on to something. Now, mind you that their right prediction % is in line with random probability, but these folks will never believe you.

They are absolutely convinced that future price movement can be “read” from past price movement. They come up with “rules” on how to read the tea leaves that are so ambiguous and with so many exceptions that they are worthless.

Given enough time these Chartists can force-fit data into past results. They are in effect data-mining to make the price movement conform to their rules. Great for when you are looking in the rear-view mirror, worthless for predicting tomorrows price action.

This brings us to Bible Codes. It has already been shown that if you have the time and inclination to see patterns where non exist you too can come up with “rules” on how to structure the Bible (force-fit and data-mine) to make it say whatever you want. I could probably show where in Deuteronomy the directions to my house are given if I toyed with long enough.

In the end all that this Bible Code is is a mental masturbation by people who, like dancefortwo said, “...think they know something special that no one else knows, it makes them feel superior to others.”

One last word: In 2008 Warren Buffet, The Oracle of Omaha, 2nd richest man on the planet made a $1.3 million bet with five hedge funds that in ten years he would make more money by simply “buying” a mutual fund that invests in the entire market vs the hedge fund gurus picking and choosing. After six years Warren is up 43% while the gurus are up 14%. It is, as Burton Malkiel wrote, a Random Walk after all. http://site.iugaza.edu.ps/wdaya/files/20...Street.pdf

(Warren’s bet read here)
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101394085
http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/...ould-work/

* Technical Analysis http://stockcharts.com/school/doku.php?i...l_analysis
* If interested this book talks about force-fitting data, probability and such.
https://books.google.com/books?id=U5np34...ta&f=false

This just in so you can see exactly what I am referring to: Blink

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/stocks-...tcountdown

Some other technical signs suggesting the market could be ripe for a bounce:

• The current price of the CBOE Volatility Index, or VIX, is the closest its been to the price of long-term VIX futures as it has in the past year and a half, suggesting sentiment in the options market is reaching a bearish extreme. “Such readings are typical of a bottoming condition,” McClellan wrote.

• The S&P 500’s latest selloff has satisfied the minimum pullback requirement of 38.2% based on the Fibonacci ratio of 0.618, which is also known by mathematicians as the golden ratio, given its prevalence throughout nature. Wednesday’s intraday low of 1988.44 represented a 38.5% retracement of the rally off the Oct. 15 low of 1820.66 to the Dec. 29 high of 2093.55.

• Although Wednesday’s low was below the Jan. 6 low of 1992.44, the index’s Relative Strength Index, which is an indicator used to measure the momentum of a recent trend, was at 39.49 versus the Jan. 6 reading of 37.62.

“I am quite sure now that often, very often, in matters concerning religion and politics a man’s reasoning powers are not above the monkey’s.”~Mark Twain
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05-06-2015, 10:36 PM
RE: Ivan Panin's "Proof".
(29-01-2013 08:28 PM)fstratzero Wrote:  


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