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06-02-2013, 05:49 PM
RE: Ivan Panin's "Proof".
(06-02-2013 05:36 PM)TheLastEnemy Wrote:  
(06-02-2013 03:04 PM)fstratzero Wrote:  Well now I ask you to do the hard thing. Find another book in hebrew or greek and see if you get the same results.
Most christian sites make a point to say these patterns are not found in any other text. Then again, such sites are not exactly reservoirs of unbiased facts.
Well if their claims were true they'd show that the "codes" do not exist in other books.

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23-04-2013, 06:43 AM
RE: Ivan Panin's "Proof".
(06-02-2013 07:47 AM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  We are far from the original point of the thread. It's my fault, certainly.
Ivan Panin, who formerly lectured on Atheism in Russia and was Harvard educated, converted and wrote about his Bible numerics. I found his claims extraordinary and overreaching even as a Christian.
I got my Masoretic text off my shelf, looked at the Hebrew in Genesis and followed Panin's steps on paper and on PC. There are extraordinary clusters of prime numbers and other things in Genesis, statistically into the trillions to one against. I hope people here will examine the question for themselves. Peace out.

There is source of info that you might be interested in.

Question : If the Bible was simply "man made material", then explain how God managed to place both proof of his existence, proof of Jesus Christ's existence, all within the Bible, and done so in such a clever encoded manner.

Go to http://www.outersecrets.com/real/biblecode2a.htm

Click on the flashing words "Watch / Listen", and the webpage will take you on a webpage tour of such proof.
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23-04-2013, 08:02 AM
RE: Ivan Panin's "Proof".
(23-04-2013 06:43 AM)JesuisSean Wrote:  Question : If the Bible was simply "man made material", then explain how God managed to place both proof of his existence, proof of Jesus Christ's existence, all within the Bible, and done so in such a clever encoded manner.

Go to http://www.outersecrets.com/real/biblecode2a.htm

Click on the flashing words "Watch / Listen", and the webpage will take you on a webpage tour of such proof.
HuhHuh

If the Lord of the Rings trilogy was simply "man made material" then explain how Tolkein managed to place proof of the existence of Middle-Earth and that of Gandalf, Sauron, Bilbo, and Legolas all within those books.

Go to http://www.lotro.com and click on the "Play now" button to be shown the vast landscape that is Middle-Earth. (And when you get to Moria, resist the urge to tell those yelling dwarves "OH MY GOOOOOD, would you shut the %#$@ up?!?!?")

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23-04-2013, 08:12 AM
RE: Ivan Panin's "Proof".
(23-04-2013 06:43 AM)JesuisSean Wrote:  There is source of info that you might be interested in.

Question : If the Bible was simply "man made material", then explain how God managed to place both proof of his existence, proof of Jesus Christ's existence, all within the Bible, and done so in such a clever encoded manner.

Go to http://www.outersecrets.com/real/biblecode2a.htm

Click on the flashing words "Watch / Listen", and the webpage will take you on a webpage tour of such proof.

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23-04-2013, 08:19 AM
RE: Ivan Panin's "Proof".
(23-04-2013 06:43 AM)JesuisSean Wrote:  
(06-02-2013 07:47 AM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  We are far from the original point of the thread. It's my fault, certainly.
Ivan Panin, who formerly lectured on Atheism in Russia and was Harvard educated, converted and wrote about his Bible numerics. I found his claims extraordinary and overreaching even as a Christian.
I got my Masoretic text off my shelf, looked at the Hebrew in Genesis and followed Panin's steps on paper and on PC. There are extraordinary clusters of prime numbers and other things in Genesis, statistically into the trillions to one against. I hope people here will examine the question for themselves. Peace out.

There is source of info that you might be interested in.

Question : If the Bible was simply "man made material", then explain how God managed to place both proof of his existence, proof of Jesus Christ's existence, all within the Bible, and done so in such a clever encoded manner.

Go to http://www.outersecrets.com/real/biblecode2a.htm

Click on the flashing words "Watch / Listen", and the webpage will take you on a webpage tour of such proof.

Such utter crap. Why did your god not just say it in plain language ? This is all randomly cooked up nonsense, and there is not one, I repeat NOT ONE Biblical scholar, in the entire world that buys into this absolute bullshit. Why did the author of this crap NOT anaylize ANY other book, and compare ? Not one. Anyone could do the SAME thing with ANY other set of books, including Shakespeare. It's absolute ignorant "oh the aliens must have done it" level shit. How pathetic. There is no "proof" of anything that you claim. Even *if* one "finds" things in a text, it's *proof* of nothing. You must have a REALLY weak *faith* if you NEED this shit to bolster yours,

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02-05-2013, 07:45 AM
RE: Ivan Panin's "Proof".
Try this page. It goes to the Nth degree on this stuff. Which book were you thinking is the Bible's equivalent in encoding?

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02-05-2013, 09:28 AM
RE: Ivan Panin's "Proof".
It's crap.
Let's see 10 other books "evaluated" as a comparison.
They never compare.
They can start with Shakespeare.

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02-05-2013, 12:32 PM
RE: Ivan Panin's "Proof".
There have been other books compared. You are CORRECT. They never do compare with the scriptures. Thanks, BB.
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02-05-2013, 01:21 PM
RE: Ivan Panin's "Proof".
(02-05-2013 12:32 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  There have been other books compared. You are CORRECT. They never do compare with the scriptures. Thanks, BB.

No, this has been analyzed by mathematicians and done with other texts. They all show the same kinds of results.

The 'codes' are purely random statistical artifacts. There is no magic, folks, move along.

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02-05-2013, 02:06 PM
RE: Ivan Panin's "Proof".
Ah the atheist/theist debate.

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