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29-01-2013, 08:01 PM
Ivan Panin's "Proof".
Anyway, I'm in an ongoing argument with a christian, and he brought up Ivan Panin as indisputable proof of the bible's inspiration. Can you guys help me debunk this numerology stuff?
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29-01-2013, 08:11 PM (This post was last modified: 29-01-2013 08:43 PM by fstratzero.)
RE: Ivan Panin's "Proof".
(29-01-2013 08:01 PM)TheLastEnemy Wrote:  Anyway, I'm in an ongoing argument with a christian, and he brought up Ivan Panin as indisputable proof of the bible's inspiration. Can you guys help me debunk this numerology stuff?
Edgar Allen Poe, proved to be inspired by god using Ivan's techniques, and others.

http://cs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/dilugim/panin.html
http://cs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/dilugim/moby.html
http://cs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/dilugim/torah.html

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29-01-2013, 08:19 PM (This post was last modified: 29-01-2013 08:23 PM by fstratzero.)
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29-01-2013, 08:21 PM (This post was last modified: 29-01-2013 08:58 PM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Ivan Panin's "Proof".
(29-01-2013 08:11 PM)fstratzero Wrote:  
(29-01-2013 08:01 PM)TheLastEnemy Wrote:  Anyway, I'm in an ongoing argument with a christian, and he brought up Ivan Panin as indisputable proof of the bible's inspiration. Can you guys help me debunk this numerology stuff?
Edgar Allen Poe, proved to be inspired by god using Ivan's techniques, and others.

http://cs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/dilugim/panin.html
The writers of the texts never once claimed it. They knew nothing about it. The texts were included in the canon for reasons that had nothing to do with "inspiration". No one even mentioned "inspired" until many hundreds of years after they were written. Was it "random chance" that when they were VOTED, non-unanimously by the councils as the canon, only the texts that had numerogical patterns were included. Did Panin ever study the others to see if they were NOT there. LOL. There are "neumerogical" patterns in Harry Potter, and Buddy's book, and Shakespeare also. They are there in any set of letters, NOT just the Babble. Did he ever study those. Why did he re-write some of them to make them come out to fit his crap ? Are THOSE inspired ? (Well Buddy C's IS "inspired, but by the debil Tongue ).

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The proof he understood "confirmation bias", and one sees what one is looking for.

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29-01-2013, 08:24 PM
RE: Ivan Panin's "Proof".
(29-01-2013 08:21 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(29-01-2013 08:11 PM)fstratzero Wrote:  Edgar Allen Poe, proved to be inspired by god using Ivan's techniques, and others.

http://cs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/dilugim/panin.html
The writers of the texts never once claimed it. They knew nothing about it. The texts were included in the canon for reasons that had nothing to do with "inspiration". No one even mentioned "inspired until many hundreds of years after they were written. Was it "random chance" that when they were VOTED, non-unanimously by the councils as the canon, only the texts that had numerogical patterns were included. Did Panin ever study the others to see if they were NOT there. LOL. There are "neumerogical" patterns in Harry Potter, and Buddy's book also. They are there in any set of letters, NOT just the Babble. Did he ever study those. Why did he re-write some of them to make them come ou to fit his crap ? Are THOSE inspired ? (Well Buddy C's IS "inspired, but by the debil).
For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it.
For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it.
For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it.
Ivan Panin
The proof he understood "confirmation bias", and one sees what one is looking for.
Look at what I found!
http://www.biblecodewisdom.com/

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29-01-2013, 08:28 PM (This post was last modified: 29-01-2013 08:46 PM by fstratzero.)
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29-01-2013, 10:08 PM
RE: Ivan Panin's "Proof".
(29-01-2013 08:11 PM)fstratzero Wrote:  
(29-01-2013 08:01 PM)TheLastEnemy Wrote:  Anyway, I'm in an ongoing argument with a christian, and he brought up Ivan Panin as indisputable proof of the bible's inspiration. Can you guys help me debunk this numerology stuff?
Edgar Allen Poe, proved to be inspired by god using Ivan's techniques, and others.

http://cs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/dilugim/panin.html
http://cs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/dilugim/moby.html
http://cs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/dilugim/torah.html
I Actually brought that up, he assured me that, "It doesn't count", because it has to be Hebrew or Greek because of the Number-Letter equivalence. That's probably bullshit, but I don't know.
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29-01-2013, 10:34 PM
RE: Ivan Panin's "Proof".
(29-01-2013 10:08 PM)TheLastEnemy Wrote:  I Actually brought that up, he assured me that, "It doesn't count", because it has to be Hebrew or Greek because of the Number-Letter equivalence. That's probably bullshit, but I don't know.

That sounds like special pleading to me. The fact that we can find codes in anything disproves the Bible Code nonsense.
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29-01-2013, 10:36 PM
RE: Ivan Panin's "Proof".
(29-01-2013 10:08 PM)TheLastEnemy Wrote:  
(29-01-2013 08:11 PM)fstratzero Wrote:  Edgar Allen Poe, proved to be inspired by god using Ivan's techniques, and others.

http://cs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/dilugim/panin.html
http://cs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/dilugim/moby.html
http://cs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/dilugim/torah.html
I Actually brought that up, he assured me that, "It doesn't count", because it has to be Hebrew or Greek because of the Number-Letter equivalence. That's probably bullshit, but I don't know.
If that does not work then you can not argue with him.

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29-01-2013, 11:45 PM
RE: Ivan Panin's "Proof".
(29-01-2013 10:36 PM)fstratzero Wrote:  
(29-01-2013 10:08 PM)TheLastEnemy Wrote:  I Actually brought that up, he assured me that, "It doesn't count", because it has to be Hebrew or Greek because of the Number-Letter equivalence. That's probably bullshit, but I don't know.
If that does not work then you can not argue with him.
Yeah, some people are just impossible. BTW, Are numerics and theomatics different?, i did a quick google but not much came up.
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