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30-01-2013, 02:35 PM
RE: Ivan Panin's "Proof".
It has to be Hebrew, Greek or Chaldean because those languages do not contain numerals. Letters are transposed for numbers and numbers for letters in deciphering the Bible codes...
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30-01-2013, 04:40 PM
RE: Ivan Panin's "Proof".
(30-01-2013 02:35 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  It has to be Hebrew, Greek or Chaldean because those languages do not contain numerals. Letters are transposed for numbers and numbers for letters in deciphering the Bible codes...


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31-01-2013, 10:39 AM
RE: Ivan Panin's "Proof".
I'm unsure what your objection is, since sarcasm is a debate tool but not a logical proof.
It is true that ancient Greek and Hebrew did not use numerals. Letters and numbers are interchanged for the Bible codes.
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31-01-2013, 10:47 AM
RE: Ivan Panin's "Proof".
(31-01-2013 10:39 AM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  I'm unsure what your objection is, since sarcasm is a debate tool but not a logical proof.
It is true that ancient Greek and Hebrew did not use numerals. Letters and numbers are interchanged for the Bible codes.
"Codes" can be found in any text. Your requirement that they be of a certain kind is special pleading.

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31-01-2013, 12:06 PM
RE: Ivan Panin's "Proof".
(29-01-2013 08:01 PM)TheLastEnemy Wrote:  Anyway, I'm in an ongoing argument with a christian, and he brought up Ivan Panin as indisputable proof of the bible's inspiration. Can you guys help me debunk this numerology stuff?

I would try a slightly different tactic than what these guys have suggested... not that they're wrong, because they're not. But I would suggest just giving him the Bible Code. Accept it. Say, "I'm fine with you believing that the bible includes codes that prophecy things that will happen in the future. Now, how does prophecy prove that God exists?" Because, as we all know here, that's an argument from ignorance. You could personally predict a disastrous event happening in the future. If it came true, would that mean that Christians (by their standard used here) would have to accept your atheism as true?

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31-01-2013, 12:08 PM
RE: Ivan Panin's "Proof".
(31-01-2013 10:39 AM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  I'm unsure what your objection is, since sarcasm is a debate tool but not a logical proof.
It is true that ancient Greek and Hebrew did not use numerals. Letters and numbers are interchanged for the Bible codes.
Speaking of which, have you watched this?




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31-01-2013, 01:29 PM
RE: Ivan Panin's "Proof".
The codes are extraordinary and statistically speaking, significant. They cannot be found in "any text", at least, not the kinds of extraordinary codes I'm aware of. Thank you.
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31-01-2013, 01:57 PM
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Quote:I would try a slightly different tactic than what these guys have suggested... not that they're wrong, because they're not. But I would suggest just giving him the Bible Code. Accept it. Say, "I'm fine with you believing that the bible includes codes that prophecy things that will happen in the future. Now, how does prophecy prove that God exists?" Because, as we all know here, that's an argument from ignorance. You could personally predict a disastrous event happening in the future. If it came true, would that mean that Christians (by their standard used here) would have to accept your atheism as true?
Is that the stakes? Really? You think Christians claim one disastrous event was predicted by the scriptures rather than hundreds of details from the life of Jesus Christ?
If I told you one fact about your future for 100 days running, you would conclude I had some inside information and would not dismiss 100 coincidences.
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31-01-2013, 02:32 PM
RE: Ivan Panin's "Proof".
(31-01-2013 01:57 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  
Quote:I would try a slightly different tactic than what these guys have suggested... not that they're wrong, because they're not. But I would suggest just giving him the Bible Code. Accept it. Say, "I'm fine with you believing that the bible includes codes that prophecy things that will happen in the future. Now, how does prophecy prove that God exists?" Because, as we all know here, that's an argument from ignorance. You could personally predict a disastrous event happening in the future. If it came true, would that mean that Christians (by their standard used here) would have to accept your atheism as true?
Is that the stakes? Really? You think Christians claim one disastrous event was predicted by the scriptures rather than hundreds of details from the life of Jesus Christ?
If I told you one fact about your future for 100 days running, you would conclude I had some inside information and would not dismiss 100 coincidences.
That depends on what you are telling the future about. If it were specific, and came true, then you'd have something. If there were as vague as horoscope then you'd merely prove that you have knowledge about barnum statements.

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31-01-2013, 02:33 PM
RE: Ivan Panin's "Proof".
(31-01-2013 01:29 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  The codes are extraordinary and statistically speaking, significant. They cannot be found in "any text", at least, not the kinds of extraordinary codes I'm aware of. Thank you.
Please provide evidence of your extraordinary claims.

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