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24-04-2012, 09:42 AM (This post was last modified: 24-04-2012 09:46 AM by germanyt.)
James Lovelock backpeddling on climate change.
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Quote:It will also reflect his new opinion that global warming has not occurred as he had expected.“The problem is we don’t know what the climate is doing. We thought we knew 20 years ago. That led to some alarmist books – mine included – because it looked clear-cut, but it hasn’t happened,” Lovelock said.
“The climate is doing its usual tricks. There’s nothing much really happening yet. We were supposed to be halfway toward a frying world now,” he said.
“The world has not warmed up very much since the millennium. Twelve years is a reasonable time… it (the temperature) has stayed almost constant, whereas it should have been rising -- carbon dioxide is rising, no question about that,” he added.
He pointed to Gore’s “An Inconvenient Truth” and Tim Flannery’s “The Weather Makers” as other examples of “alarmist” forecasts of the future.

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24-04-2012, 10:34 AM
RE: James Lovelock backpeddling on climate change.
(24-04-2012 09:42 AM)germanyt Wrote:  And until you actually understand it, how can you say it is broken?


If you don't understand it, don't get complacent and assume it's *not* broken either Wink Lack of knowledge if anything means that treating the planet more carefully is warranted - at no time in Earth's history (except maybe billions of years ago) has CO2 been released in the huge quantities we output today. Since we don't understand, doing a giant "I wonder what'll happen if we do this?" experiment seems a bit daft no? Also, it's not like we have no knowledge whatsoever. At the very least we know that there is a risk factor - possibly not properly quantified yet, if I bend over backwards to accommodate you, but significant risk. Ergo, conservative way to go is to cut back on emissions.

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24-04-2012, 10:36 AM
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(24-04-2012 10:34 AM)morondog Wrote:  Ergo, conservative way to go is to cut back on emissions.

My 2 cents.
I completely agree on the basis of pollution and energy independence. When we start selling imaginary carbon credits then I'll have a problem.

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24-04-2012, 02:54 PM
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(24-04-2012 10:36 AM)germanyt Wrote:  
(24-04-2012 10:34 AM)morondog Wrote:  Ergo, conservative way to go is to cut back on emissions.

My 2 cents.
I completely agree on the basis of pollution and energy independence. When we start selling imaginary carbon credits then I'll have a problem.
Carbon credits were a good idea that didn't work at all Sad

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24-04-2012, 02:59 PM
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(24-04-2012 02:54 PM)nach_in Wrote:  
(24-04-2012 10:36 AM)germanyt Wrote:  I completely agree on the basis of pollution and energy independence. When we start selling imaginary carbon credits then I'll have a problem.
Carbon credits were a good idea that didn't work at all Sad
Like most Liberal ideals.

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24-04-2012, 03:55 PM
RE: James Lovelock backpeddling on climate change.
(24-04-2012 02:59 PM)Logica Humano Wrote:  
(24-04-2012 02:54 PM)nach_in Wrote:  Carbon credits were a good idea that didn't work at all Sad
Like most Liberal ideals.
what you mean by liberal? I have an idea about what it means in english that is completely different of what it means in spanish so I'm afraid I've been using it wrong for a long time now..

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24-04-2012, 04:03 PM
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(24-04-2012 03:55 PM)nach_in Wrote:  
(24-04-2012 02:59 PM)Logica Humano Wrote:  Like most Liberal ideals.
what you mean by liberal? I have an idea about what it means in english that is completely different of what it means in spanish so I'm afraid I've been using it wrong for a long time now..
American liberal policies. They often sound great on paper but don't work so well in application. Conservative policies are not immune to it either though.

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24-04-2012, 04:17 PM
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(24-04-2012 04:03 PM)germanyt Wrote:  
(24-04-2012 03:55 PM)nach_in Wrote:  what you mean by liberal? I have an idea about what it means in english that is completely different of what it means in spanish so I'm afraid I've been using it wrong for a long time now..
American liberal policies. They often sound great on paper but don't work so well in application. Conservative policies are not immune to it either though.
hippies then? I see... yeah, sadly they don't work so well, someday maybe... someday Sad

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24-04-2012, 05:49 PM
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(24-04-2012 04:03 PM)germanyt Wrote:  
(24-04-2012 03:55 PM)nach_in Wrote:  what you mean by liberal? I have an idea about what it means in english that is completely different of what it means in spanish so I'm afraid I've been using it wrong for a long time now..
American liberal policies. They often sound great on paper but don't work so well in application. Conservative policies are not immune to it either though.
Except (American) conservative policies don't even look good on paper. Dodgy

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24-04-2012, 05:53 PM
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(24-04-2012 05:49 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(24-04-2012 04:03 PM)germanyt Wrote:  American liberal policies. They often sound great on paper but don't work so well in application. Conservative policies are not immune to it either though.
Except (American) conservative policies don't even look good on paper. Dodgy
Here we go.

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