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20-01-2018, 10:10 AM
RE: Jan. 2018 US Federal Government Shutdown
Regardless of who is to blame, the rest of the world is laughing at Trump today.
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20-01-2018, 10:13 AM (This post was last modified: 20-01-2018 10:28 AM by EvolutionKills.)
RE: Jan. 2018 US Federal Government Shutdown
(20-01-2018 10:04 AM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  
(20-01-2018 09:57 AM)Revenant77x Wrote:  What happened to Mr. Art of the Deal? Holding CHIP Hostage for months to use as a bargaining chip was damnable, claiming this is on Dems when Republicans can't keep their own house in order. Nah son, this is all on Republicans, they own this and every other horrible thing they have done or tried to do this last year. 2018 is not looking good for them.

Keep telling yourself that. The RNC pulled $132 million in donations last year, a record for any political party in a non election year. Trump's base is larger than the usual turnout in a midterm, and they will show up.

LDH: perpetually cheering on those who whore themselves out the most, and towing the line of faux offense when (heaven forbid) his team gets even a taste of the same bullshit tactics that his own team has been exploiting for a decade.

In other works, 'hypocrisy in action'.

Where was LDH bitching about the Republicans turning the simple act of authorizing the increase of the debt ceiling into a political hostage?

He never did, because it was his team.

All sins can be forgiven, so long as your team 'wins'.

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20-01-2018, 10:16 AM
RE: Jan. 2018 US Federal Government Shutdown
(20-01-2018 10:04 AM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  
(20-01-2018 09:57 AM)Revenant77x Wrote:  What happened to Mr. Art of the Deal? Holding CHIP Hostage for months to use as a bargaining chip was damnable, claiming this is on Dems when Republicans can't keep their own house in order. Nah son, this is all on Republicans, they own this and every other horrible thing they have done or tried to do this last year. 2018 is not looking good for them.

Keep telling yourself that. The RNC pulled $132 million in donations last year, a record for any political party in a non election year. Trump's base is larger than the usual turnout in a midterm, and they will show up.

Is this even true? With Trump's approval ratings this seems impossible. Link.

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20-01-2018, 11:23 AM
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20-01-2018, 04:18 PM
RE: Jan. 2018 US Federal Government Shutdown
Interesting poll numbers for the shutdown blame game. Can't wait to see a more recent poll later in the week. But a CNN poll yesterday concerning a pending shutdown put the blame on congressional democrats. A Quinnipiac poll found similar results.

Who do you blame if there's a shutdown?
Democrats 31%
Republicans 26%
Trump 21%
All of them 10%

The same poll also found that the majority of people, even among democrat voters, thought it was more important to keep the government open than to deal with the DACA situation.

Come on guys don't blow this! Can't make the republicans look to be the good guys here.

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20-01-2018, 10:41 PM
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Both parties can go Censored themselves.

Remember back in the good old days (elementary school) when they'd have everyone put their heads down on their desks so they couldn't see what the other people were voting, thereby encouraging everyone to vote the way they actually feel instead of just copying their friends?

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21-01-2018, 10:35 AM
RE: Jan. 2018 US Federal Government Shutdown
Democrats: We refuse to sign a budget bill unless it includes a DACA fix.


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21-01-2018, 04:32 PM
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(20-01-2018 04:18 PM)Grim Wrote:  Come on guys don't blow this! Can't make the republicans look to be the good guys here.

The GOP is also not adding additional funding for the opioid crisis that President Trump declared a national emergency, and it's also not providing funding for disaster relief. The GOP has blocked Democrat attempts to bring funding legislation to the floor, Ryan won't allow it to be voted on. The Democrats introduced a bill to pay the military and veterans during the shutdown; the GOP blocked it from coming to a vote (you can thank Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell. Senate Majority leader McConnell is also refusing to allow a bill by the Democrats to be voted on that would fund the government for few days, pay the military, and fund CHIP.

And in the time it took me to find links for the points in this post, the GOP again refused to do what combat veteran Senator Tammy Duckworth, asked, and to pass a bill to pay the military and support its families, as well as a resolution by Tim Kaine to fund the government through two days from now with absolutely zero strings attached.

The only way to make the GOP look like the good guys here is for the media to keep only focusing on DACA. Sad Which sadly seems to be what they're doing, and if those poll numbers are accurate, is working. Then you have the LDH's of the world, who if Trump would carry through with his comment from the campaign and shoot someone in broad daylight on 5th Avenue in New York City, would find some way to blame the Democrats. There are at least 22 Senators from both parties who keep meeting and trying to work out a bipartisan deal, who are receiving sadly little coverage as well. Sad

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21-01-2018, 05:01 PM
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(21-01-2018 04:32 PM)Shai Hulud Wrote:  
(20-01-2018 04:18 PM)Grim Wrote:  Come on guys don't blow this! Can't make the republicans look to be the good guys here.

The GOP is also not adding additional funding for the opioid crisis that President Trump declared a national emergency, and it's also not providing funding for disaster relief. The GOP has blocked Democrat attempts to bring funding legislation to the floor, Ryan won't allow it to be voted on. The Democrats introduced a bill to pay the military and veterans during the shutdown; the GOP blocked it from coming to a vote (you can thank Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell. Senate Majority leader McConnell is also refusing to allow a bill by the Democrats to be voted on that would fund the government for few days, pay the military, and fund CHIP.

And in the time it took me to find links for the points in this post, the GOP again refused to do what combat veteran Senator Tammy Duckworth, asked, and to pass a bill to pay the military and support its families, as well as a resolution by Tim Kaine to fund the government through two days from now with absolutely zero strings attached.

The only way to make the GOP look like the good guys here is for the media to keep only focusing on DACA. Sad Which sadly seems to be what they're doing, and if those poll numbers are accurate, is working. Then you have the LDH's of the world, who if Trump would carry through with his comment from the campaign and shoot someone in broad daylight on 5th Avenue in New York City, would find some way to blame the Democrats. There are at least 22 Senators from both parties who keep meeting and trying to work out a bipartisan deal, who are receiving sadly little coverage as well. Sad

voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.

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It seems to me that the DACA argument presented by the GOP and its supporter is designed to fullfil the Goering strategy on keeping people obediant and loyal to their leaders despite their apparent stupidity.

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21-01-2018, 05:29 PM
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(21-01-2018 05:01 PM)epronovost Wrote:  voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.

Hermann Goering

It seems to me that the DACA argument presented by the GOP and its supporter is designed to fullfil the Goering strategy on keeping people obediant and loyal to their leaders despite their apparent stupidity.

Goerring and Goebbles advice seems to be getting a lot of airtime lately in American politics... Sad

On a different note that's somewhat bipartisan, Senator Graham ® is saying every time they try to negotiate on immigration, Trump's Stephen Miller is making it impossible to reach a solution by yanking back the proposals.

Quote:"Every time we have a proposal it is only yanked back by staff members. As long as Stephen Miller is in charge of negotiating immigration, we're going nowhere," Graham told reporters as he headed into a closed-door negotiation with a bipartisan group of senators.

He added that "the White House staff, I think, is making it very difficult."

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