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19-05-2014, 09:12 AM
RE: Jeremy E. Walker provides empirical evidence for the Christian God over other...
(19-05-2014 01:37 AM)Mathilda Wrote:  
(18-05-2014 06:29 PM)Anjele Wrote:  You put too much effort into this.

Well it is always useful to figure out how to write a bot able to pass the Turing test. This is the test where a computer program must be able to fool human users that the program is also human.

It has long been known since PARRY that it can be achieved by writing a bot that it is completely focused on one subject to the exclusion of all other subjects. This means that you don't have to model human intelligence in order to cope with the myriad of possible subject matters because whatever you say will result in a reply that brings it back on topic again. PARRY modelled a paranoid schizophrenic.

Maybe he's a bot modeled after a religious zealot, but the reason he's here is for someone to feed the atheist's responses into "cleverscript" or some other bot making script, so they can create a atheist bot?
Wait, I just figured out something. When trying to create bots, make one which has an counterpart, Like a far right bot, and then put it on the forums of the counterpart, make it debate the counterpart, and then feed the responses into a counterpart version of the bot, (far left bot.) and walla, you have to do half of the work.
Then, when you are done, you combine half of the scripts into one, and the other half into one, creating two very distinct personalities that can talk about multiple subjects. So, on one side, you have a capitalist religious conservative, and on the other, you have a socialist atheistic liberal.

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19-05-2014, 09:33 AM
RE: Jeremy E. Walker provides empirical evidence for the Christian God over other...
(18-05-2014 02:34 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  The evidence I speak of is something that comes after one has placed faith in Christ.

The presence of Christ in the heart of the redeemed is the empirical evidence I speak of and this presence is manifested through the life, actions, words, and thoughts of the redeemed.

This is similar to the evidence a Muslim finds when they submit to Allah, or the evidence those poor fools found in Jonestown when they placed faith in some poisonous fucking Koolaid.

Believing something doesn't make it true. Believing something really hard doesn't make it true. The subjective experience Christianity offers is no different than that promised from any other non-falsifiable religion or cult. Or, if it is different, no one has been able to prove it, and everyone thinks theirs is the for really real deal.
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19-05-2014, 09:37 AM
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(18-05-2014 02:34 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  The evidence I speak of is something that comes after one has placed faith in Christ.

And the thing I'm interested in is what came before that.



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19-05-2014, 09:39 AM
RE: Jeremy E. Walker provides empirical evidence for the Christian God over other...
(19-05-2014 09:33 AM)RobbyPants Wrote:  
(18-05-2014 02:34 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  The evidence I speak of is something that comes after one has placed faith in Christ.

The presence of Christ in the heart of the redeemed is the empirical evidence I speak of and this presence is manifested through the life, actions, words, and thoughts of the redeemed.

This is similar to the evidence a Muslim finds when they submit to Allah, or the evidence those poor fools found in Jonestown when they placed faith in some poisonous fucking Koolaid.

Believing something doesn't make it true. Believing something really hard doesn't make it true. The subjective experience Christianity offers is no different than that promised from any other non-falsifiable religion or cult. Or, if it is different, no one has been able to prove it, and everyone thinks theirs is the for really real deal.

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19-05-2014, 11:07 AM
RE: Jeremy E. Walker provides empirical evidence for the Christian God over other...
(19-05-2014 09:37 AM)John Wrote:  
(18-05-2014 02:34 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  The evidence I speak of is something that comes after one has placed faith in Christ.

And the thing I'm interested in is what came before that.



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19-05-2014, 12:23 PM
RE: Jeremy E. Walker provides empirical evidence for the Christian God over other...
(19-05-2014 01:37 AM)Mathilda Wrote:  
(18-05-2014 06:29 PM)Anjele Wrote:  You put too much effort into this.

Well it is always useful to figure out how to write a bot able to pass the Turing test. This is the test where a computer program must be able to fool human users that the program is also human.

It has long been known since PARRY that it can be achieved by writing a bot that it is completely focused on one subject to the exclusion of all other subjects. This means that you don't have to model human intelligence in order to cope with the myriad of possible subject matters because whatever you say will result in a reply that brings it back on topic again. PARRY modelled a paranoid schizophrenic.

The only other type of person I've found who you could model as a chatterbot that could pass the Turing Test is a religious zealot. They have little intelligence in their replies, only ever talk about their god, all act in much the same way and only ever come up with generic responses.

The most salient conclusions to this are:
  • We might as well be 'debating' with a computer program devoid of intelligence.
  • Extreme religiosity is on a par with paranoid schizophrenia.

I always laugh at the sinner concept that our lovely Jeremy keeps touting. It's probably the worst aspect of the christian philosophy. The idea that our great, greatgreatgreatgreatgreat........etc. grandmother chose to eat an apple and society is paying for this transgression is sick and poisonous.

My great great grandfather ran a whore house in the San Francisco Bay Area back in the 1850's but there is no jury in the entire world that would hold me responsible for what my great, great grandfather chose to do. No jury anywhere. None. Nada. Why? Because, thankfully, we have become a more moral and civilized world and don't hold someone else accountable for another person's transgression from generations past.

We don't track down the great grandchildren of Nazi guards from Auschwitz and bring them to trial. To do so would be a monstrous misjudgement of justice and people the world over would cry foul . But the christian religion thinks nothing of doing this very thing. Sins of the great (etc.) grandmother is what fuels christianity and this very concept is what I find immoral, repulsive and psychologically imprisoning and nothing any christian says will change my mind. Most definitely not the bogus Jesus loophole they throw out at people. I find that even more repulsive.

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23-05-2014, 02:24 AM (This post was last modified: 23-05-2014 02:29 AM by Deltabravo.)
RE: Jeremy E. Walker provides empirical evidence for the Christian God over other...
(18-05-2014 02:39 PM)rampant.a.i. Wrote:  
(18-05-2014 02:34 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  The evidence I speak of is something that comes after one has placed faith in Christ.

The presence of Christ in the heart of the redeemed is the empirical evidence I speak of and this presence is manifested through the life, actions, words, and thoughts of the redeemed.

That's just an unsupported claim without one shred of empirical evidence.

You claim to have empirical evidence, which you have been formally asked to provide.

Are you lying?

I have had something of a "revelation" since coming here. People like Jeremy used to annoy me. Now they don't, at least not so much.

I have often puzzled over Christianity and it messed with my head. How could anyone write such pure nonsense.

I have now realized that this is a deliberate ploy. If it was a clear, precise story about a person who clearly existed, well, that would be a hugely different thing. We could all see that Jesus was plainly a real person who was really, truly born of a Virgin in a certain place, lived, died etc etc etc. Of course that isn't the case and that is because it isn't true. But, then, to add to this and to help people realize it isn't actually true, it is riddled with inconsistencies and magic tricks such that only a simpleton could believe them. And, Jeremy is just such a simpleton.

But, without these incredible stories, people like Jeremy, and there are a lot of them, would still be Pagans dancing around a Maypole thinking it would bring rain.

So, that is what is so "great" about Christianity. It recognizes the imbecility of most people and gives them their Harry Potter hero, their heaven and lots of nice stories to get them to believe. People like Jermey are infants. They don't grow up and they don't learn. They are used to their mommy and daddy telling them what to do and they aren't bright enough to know what to do when they grow up and their parents aren't there to tell them what is right an wrong. Christianity helps people like this behave morally by giving them a moral philosophy to live on based on reason, without them even knowing it and without having to show them how to think.

Those who can see the inconsistencies will figure out that the whole Christian narrative of Jesus is made up and the supernatural aspects are not only not to be believed but a spoof of the simpleton. It gives us the satisfaction of knowing that they are simpletons.

Yes, have faith in Jesus because if you believe what I say, you will be delivered from the torture of having to argue with people like Jeremy. You can see them for what they are, people with childlike outlooks on life. Jesus and whoever wrote him up knew this so take his advice and "suffer the little children" because without Christianity, who knows what Jeremy would be like and how much more ridiculous and unpleasant his beliefs would be.
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25-05-2014, 04:08 PM
RE: Jeremy E. Walker provides empirical evidence for the Christian God over other...
(18-05-2014 02:34 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  The evidence I speak of is something that comes after one has placed faith in Christ.

The presence of Christ in the heart of the redeemed is the empirical evidence I speak of and this presence is manifested through the life, actions, words, and thoughts of the redeemed.

Hilarious. So, the empirical evidence comes after you already believe. Hint: that's not empirical evidence. Empirical evidence doesn't rely on your preconceived notions or beliefs, it's *empirical*.

The Fucking Dictionary Wrote:em·pir·i·cal
emˈpirikəl
adjective
Based on, concerned with, or verifiable by observation or experience rather than theory or pure logic.

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27-05-2014, 12:43 AM
RE: Jeremy E. Walker provides empirical evidence for the Christian God over other...
You can see the evidence of you believe in god?

Isn't that a bit like saying you have a cure for blindness, but it will only work if you can see?
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27-05-2014, 12:57 AM
RE: Jeremy E. Walker provides empirical evidence for the Christian God over other...
(27-05-2014 12:43 AM)TheStraightener Wrote:  You can see the evidence of you believe in god?

Isn't that a bit like saying you have a cure for blindness, but it will only work if you can see?

It's saying "I have a cure for blindness which only works if you can see" and then running around bumping into things. When challenged it's "well it depends what you mean by 'see'". Rolleyes

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