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14-05-2014, 05:42 PM
[split] A Deconstruction of the Moral Argument
(14-05-2014 01:43 PM)goodwithoutgod Wrote:  
(13-05-2014 03:56 PM)Leo Wrote:  Hey walker , in the atheist forums.com site you claim only Christians go to heaven and all nonchristians will go to hell not matter how good they are. Jews holocaust victims would go to hell because they don't believe in Jebus. You want to elaborate more of this bullshit matter? Drinking Beverage

oooooh Walker is this true? Can I talk about hell with you for a moment oh misinformed one?

The hell you are talking about doesn't even exist in that capacity under Christian doctrine. hell is allegedly a place devoid of god, thus devoid of good, no fire, no pitchforks, no little demons running around, no eternity in pain...get some education you ignorant, misinformed delusional believer. Because I pity you, I will educate you on your own faith.

Source is Reason, Faith and Tradition by Martin C. Albl, Chapter 7 page 188 – describing hell.

"We begin with a reminder of limitations of our language. Since hell, according to Christian doctrine, is a supernatural reality, it can only be described in analogies. Holy Scripture teaches us the essence of hell in images. When it speaks of the fire of hell, it is not to be understood in a grossly realistic sense. The images of fire and pain were ways of expressing the essential Christian understanding of hell – that it is a separation from God. We may define heaven as simply being with God, and hell, and contrast, is simply being without God. It is thus an existence without goodness and without meaning."

So save your made up twisted image of hell for someone a bit less educated on theology than I. Funny how an Atheist knows more than you about your own faith isn't it? I know the abrahamic myth inside and out, and that is WHY I am an atheist.

That sound you just heard was me schooling you yet again on your own faith Mr Walker.


Lol who cares?

You? Thats cool. More power to you.

In your world the cosmos is indifferent and the one who believes in hell and says people go there is no better or worse off than you.

It is important to you to speak out against those who feel it important to speak out against those who deny hell.

You are an evolved creature. I am an evolved creature. You, like the vampire bat owe your existence and all that you are to natural forces acting on matter and everyday you get up and think humanity will somehow ultimately benefit from your efforts to discredit religion is simply you engaging in self deception. You delude yourself if you think anything you say or do is of any ultimate consequence.
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14-05-2014, 05:59 PM
[split] A Deconstruction of the Moral Argument
(14-05-2014 05:42 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  
(14-05-2014 01:43 PM)goodwithoutgod Wrote:  oooooh Walker is this true? Can I talk about hell with you for a moment oh misinformed one?

The hell you are talking about doesn't even exist in that capacity under Christian doctrine. hell is allegedly a place devoid of god, thus devoid of good, no fire, no pitchforks, no little demons running around, no eternity in pain...get some education you ignorant, misinformed delusional believer. Because I pity you, I will educate you on your own faith.

Source is Reason, Faith and Tradition by Martin C. Albl, Chapter 7 page 188 – describing hell.

"We begin with a reminder of limitations of our language. Since hell, according to Christian doctrine, is a supernatural reality, it can only be described in analogies. Holy Scripture teaches us the essence of hell in images. When it speaks of the fire of hell, it is not to be understood in a grossly realistic sense. The images of fire and pain were ways of expressing the essential Christian understanding of hell – that it is a separation from God. We may define heaven as simply being with God, and hell, and contrast, is simply being without God. It is thus an existence without goodness and without meaning."

So save your made up twisted image of hell for someone a bit less educated on theology than I. Funny how an Atheist knows more than you about your own faith isn't it? I know the abrahamic myth inside and out, and that is WHY I am an atheist.

That sound you just heard was me schooling you yet again on your own faith Mr Walker.


Lol who cares?

You? Thats cool. More power to you.

In your world the cosmos is indifferent and the one who believes in hell and says people go there is no better or worse off than you.

It is important to you to speak out against those who feel it important to speak out against those who deny hell.

You are an evolved creature. I am an evolved creature. You, like the vampire bat owe your existence and all that you are to natural forces acting on matter and everyday you get up and think humanity will somehow ultimately benefit from your efforts to discredit religion is simply you engaging in self deception. You delude yourself if you think anything you say or do is of any ultimate consequence.
We don't care about your Jebus and about your "hell" but you are the one making bullshit assertions in all atheist sites.

Religion is bullshit. The winner of the last person to post wins thread.Yes
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14-05-2014, 06:07 PM (This post was last modified: 14-05-2014 06:10 PM by Jeremy E Walker.)
Jeremy Walker the nihilist
(03-05-2014 06:38 PM)Virgo Supercluster Wrote:  Not long ago, I came across a Richard Dawkins video that I hadn't seen before. Dawkins was in the States, trying to understand why Christianity (in particular) was so obsessed with sexual sin.

Then I stumbled across this gem from BYU Idaho (try watching it without WTF-ing about seventeen times):

Mormon War on Masturbation

A particularly sharp YouTube commenter referred to this video as "Saving Ryan's Privates".

In the Dawkins video, he comes across a psychologist who co-authored a study that explained two things:

1. Religious people actually watch more porn and masturbate more (Utah leading the pack in the sheer volume of porn consumed).

2. Religious people feel tremendous amounts of guilt and shame over their masturbation or porn watching.

So, when I watch the video above, I want to laugh. It's absolutely ridiculous. But, shaming people into feel like garbage for behaving in a natural way? I can't stand for that.

It was enough to make me go back and reread Hitch's passage on the LDS church in "god is not great" again.

What do you guys think?

if atheists are right, none of this is of any consequence ultimately. the cosmos is indifferent to your views and mine. you care, but the processes that caused you to care, could care less.

masturbation is something some people are more predisposed to doing by virtue of certain varying factors i.e. their genetic makeup, socio-biological influences etc etc...

some do some dont. some sneeze real loud some sneeze real quietly. some people have blue eyes some have brown..

the cosmos is indifferent to the views you have convinced yourself are somehow ultimately significant.
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14-05-2014, 06:13 PM
RE: A Deconstruction of the Moral Argument
(14-05-2014 05:59 PM)Leo Wrote:  
(14-05-2014 05:42 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  Lol who cares?

You? Thats cool. More power to you.

In your world the cosmos is indifferent and the one who believes in hell and says people go there is no better or worse off than you.

It is important to you to speak out against those who feel it important to speak out against those who deny hell.

You are an evolved creature. I am an evolved creature. You, like the vampire bat owe your existence and all that you are to natural forces acting on matter and everyday you get up and think humanity will somehow ultimately benefit from your efforts to discredit religion is simply you engaging in self deception. You delude yourself if you think anything you say or do is of any ultimate consequence.
We don't care about your Jebus and about your "hell" but you are the one making bullshit assertions in all atheist sites.

so what if i am?

i am ultimately no worse off than you for how i choose to pass the time away.

you think i SHOULD live or believe or act a certain way.

That is your view and thats fine. thats how you find meaning in a world that owes its existence to natural forces interacting with matter. there is no ultimate end to it all. it will all end relatively soon. the cosmos will experience either heat death or collapse back in on itself.

hasta la vista baby
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14-05-2014, 06:13 PM (This post was last modified: 14-05-2014 10:29 PM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Jeremy Walker the nihilist
(14-05-2014 06:07 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  if atheists are right, none of this is of any consequence ultimately. the cosmos is indifferent to your views and mine. you care, but the processes that caused you to care, could care less.

That's right. No Santy, and no Easter Bunny. You create your own meaning. It's what adults do.

(14-05-2014 06:07 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  masturbation is something some people are more predisposed to doing by virtue of certain varying factors i.e. their genetic makeup, socio-biological influences etc etc...

Really ? Prove it. Let's see the studies.

(14-05-2014 06:07 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  some do some dont. some sneeze real loud some sneeze real quietly. some people have blue eyes some have brown..

Fallacy of the False analogy. Those are not behaviors.

Insufferable know-it-all.Einstein God has a plan for us. Please stop screwing it up with your prayers.
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14-05-2014, 06:23 PM
RE: Jeremy Walker the nihilist
(14-05-2014 06:13 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(14-05-2014 06:07 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  if atheists are right, none of this is of any consequence ultimately. the cosmos is indifferent to your views and mine. you care, but the processes that caused you to care, could care less.

That's right. No Santy, and no Easter Bunny. You create your own meaning. It's what adults do.

(14-05-2014 06:07 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  masturbation is something some people are more predisposed to doing by virtue of certain varying factors i.e. their genetic makeup, socio-biological influences etc etc...

Really ? Prove it. Lets see the studies.

(14-05-2014 06:07 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  some do some dont. some sneeze real loud some sneeze real quietly. some people have blue eyes some have brown..

Fallacy of the False analogy. Those are not behaviors.

who cares if they are behaviors? who cares if its a false analogy?

you believe its important not to use false analogies. your belief will not add one minute to your life. you are no better off than me for being against false analogy usage.

you are decaying as you write these useless posts. i am decaying as i write these useless posts.
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14-05-2014, 06:25 PM
RE: A Deconstruction of the Moral Argument
(14-05-2014 06:13 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  so what if i am?

i am ultimately no worse off than you for how i choose to pass the time away.

you think i SHOULD live or believe or act a certain way.

That is your view and thats fine. thats how you find meaning in a world that owes its existence to natural forces interacting with matter. there is no ultimate end to it all. it will all end relatively soon. the cosmos will experience either heat death or collapse back in on itself.

hasta la vista baby

I like that you've stopped bothering with proper orthography when you type out your brainfarts.

It's like a window into the ongoing deterioration of your mind.

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14-05-2014, 06:27 PM
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I think someone needs a hug.
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14-05-2014, 06:27 PM
RE: A Deconstruction of the Moral Argument
(14-05-2014 06:25 PM)cjlr Wrote:  
(14-05-2014 06:13 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  so what if i am?

i am ultimately no worse off than you for how i choose to pass the time away.

you think i SHOULD live or believe or act a certain way.

That is your view and thats fine. thats how you find meaning in a world that owes its existence to natural forces interacting with matter. there is no ultimate end to it all. it will all end relatively soon. the cosmos will experience either heat death or collapse back in on itself.

hasta la vista baby

I like that you've stopped bothering with proper orthography when you type out your brainfarts.

It's like a window into the ongoing deterioration of your mind.

it is deteriorating as we speak. yours too.

and no i will not bother to type a certain way when using my cell phone.
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14-05-2014, 06:28 PM (This post was last modified: 14-05-2014 10:32 PM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Jeremy Walker the nihilist
(14-05-2014 06:23 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  
(14-05-2014 06:13 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  That's right. No Santy, and no Easter Bunny. You create your own meaning. It's what adults do.


Really ? Prove it. Lets see the studies.


Fallacy of the False analogy. Those are not behaviors.

who cares if they are behaviors? who cares if its a false analogy?

you believe its important not to use false analogies. your belief will not add one minute to your life. you are no better off than me for being against false analogy usage.

you are decaying as you write these useless posts. i am decaying as i write these useless posts.

Having a bad day are we ? "Who cares" ? Apparently you do. A LOT.
I think this "decaying" is rather weird. Actually you are not "decaying" unless you're gangrenous and ill. You are changing, and eventually will cease to exist. Decaying ? Hardly. Actually *you* may think you are "decaying", I am learning, growing, living and loving, because that's what I have found to be of value to me. I don't *need* something to last forever to find value in it, (a mental bad habit you have apparently, actually it's pretty "greedy" no ? ). I don't need to grab something and hang on, and "possess" it to find beauty in something, or someone. I'm sorry if you need your fairy story to feel good. You can get over that childish nonsense.
I understand it's scary to grow up. Buck up, kiddo.
You do know that the people that produced your religious system did not always value "individualism" as you presuppose. The ONLY way you see the world presumes that only "individuals" (as individuals) are valued. That is a cultural presupposition you have built in, and never examied. How and why that changed (in the Ancient Near East), is a fascinating chapter in the History of Israel. But they never taught you that at Biola Crap College.

Insufferable know-it-all.Einstein God has a plan for us. Please stop screwing it up with your prayers.
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