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15-05-2014, 11:35 AM
RE: Jeremy Walker the nihilist
(15-05-2014 11:21 AM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  
(15-05-2014 11:16 AM)djhall Wrote:  Oh, come now... even you are better than this. If you question everything that does not cohere with what God has said, that just means you implicitly trust god. Unless you have always implicitly trusted God, which you have admitted is not the case, there was a time when you didn't trust him and something caused that to change. Something you believe is sufficient evidence for you.

The only reason it needs to be spelled out is that you are deliberately dodging the intent of the question.

Of course I implicitly trust God. I have a strange habit of trusting people who are trustworthy.

You are right. I have not always trusted God. You cannot trust someone if you do not know them.

I have not always known God.

What changed this? God changed this.

Uh, huh. My point exactly. God is a who, not a what, and you aren't so stupid you can't tell the difference. You want to always play offence and never get stuck in the position of playing defence, so you deliberately evade any explanation of exactly why you believe.

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15-05-2014, 11:36 AM
RE: Jeremy Walker the nihilist
(15-05-2014 11:32 AM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  
(15-05-2014 11:30 AM)DemonicLemon Wrote:  Please answer my question, Jeremy.

Anything that would demonstrate that God has failed to live up to my conceptualization of who God would be.

What's the conceptualizayion of who god would be ? ChaseChase
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15-05-2014, 11:36 AM
Jeremy Walker the nihilist
(15-05-2014 11:28 AM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  
(15-05-2014 11:24 AM)rampant.a.i. Wrote:  But it's not circular reasoning, according you you.

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God caused me to believe in Him. You would say the same thing about someone you believe in.

That's just a semantic dodge.

I can be reasonably certain I met someone walking down the street today, because I've had the same experience of other people many times, and have learned since an early age to distinguish them from other animals, trees, and discount store mannequins holding signs.

This experience is in no way comparable to hearing a voice in your head, and deciding it comes from an outside source, and that source must be the Abrahamic God.

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15-05-2014, 11:37 AM
RE: Jeremy Walker the nihilist
(15-05-2014 11:31 AM)John Wrote:  
(15-05-2014 11:08 AM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  it is quite unnecessary to question everything.

Depends on your idea of necessary. I find it necessary to question everything, and I find it to be extremely useful too.

(15-05-2014 11:08 AM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  there are many things I do not question and have suffered no ill effects from this.

Great. Just because you've come out unscathed from buying into something without questioning it doesn't mean that it's true nor that it couldn't have ill effects in the future.

(15-05-2014 11:08 AM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  the mantra itself usually goes unquestioned by them that espouse it and thus prove themselves to fail to live up to it.

The mantra can be, should be, and indeed is questioned, which is the whole beauty of it. And after having questioned whether or not everything should be questioned, I have concluded: YES! Why? Because it is the best way to restrict yourself from accepting falsehoods as true. If you don't find it preferable to accept true things as true, and false things as false, then I'm at loss with how to proceed.

If you do in fact live the way you claim you do, I find it hard to believe you ever step foot outside of your dwelling place, let alone actually function as a member of society out in the world.
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15-05-2014, 11:39 AM
Jeremy Walker the nihilist
(15-05-2014 11:37 AM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  
(15-05-2014 11:31 AM)John Wrote:  Depends on your idea of necessary. I find it necessary to question everything, and I find it to be extremely useful too.


Great. Just because you've come out unscathed from buying into something without questioning it doesn't mean that it's true nor that it couldn't have ill effects in the future.


The mantra can be, should be, and indeed is questioned, which is the whole beauty of it. And after having questioned whether or not everything should be questioned, I have concluded: YES! Why? Because it is the best way to restrict yourself from accepting falsehoods as true. If you don't find it preferable to accept true things as true, and false things as false, then I'm at loss with how to proceed.

If you do in fact live the way you claim you do, I find it hard to believe you ever step foot outside of your dwelling place, let alone actually function as a member of society out in the world.

Well no, because you seem to rely entirely on authority figures to form beliefs about the world, so of course this kind of critical thinking would seem alien to you.

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15-05-2014, 11:40 AM
RE: Jeremy Walker the nihilist
(15-05-2014 11:36 AM)Leo Wrote:  
(15-05-2014 11:32 AM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  Anything that would demonstrate that God has failed to live up to my conceptualization of who God would be.

What's the conceptualizayion of who god would be ? ChaseChase

Holy, Just, Righteous, Compassionate, Wrathful, Omnipotent, Omniscient, Loving and a slew of other attributes brought together in pure simplicity and perfect harmony.
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15-05-2014, 11:40 AM
RE: Jeremy Walker the nihilist
(15-05-2014 11:21 AM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  Of course I implicitly trust God. I have a strange habit of trusting people who are trustworthy.

You are right. I have not always trusted God. You cannot trust someone if you do not know them.

I have not always known God.

Are you ever going to break this down? I've asked several times that you clarified what this means:

(15-05-2014 11:21 AM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  What changed this? God changed this.

In plain English please.

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15-05-2014, 11:43 AM
RE: Jeremy Walker the nihilist
(15-05-2014 06:12 AM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  significance in your world is something that exists in the mind of a creature. that is why i have stated that any belief in some significance or meaning in life is purely illusory. you think life is meaningful. esta bien.


thats fine. but thinking it is so does not make it so actually. you would tell a theist that thinking God exists does not make God exist actually.

A concept such as "significance" isn't "illusory" simply because it's conceptual. And we can point to evidence in our own lives and those around us to justify such a judgement, which you certainly can't do to for your imaginary sky fairy.

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15-05-2014, 11:44 AM
RE: Jeremy Walker the nihilist
(15-05-2014 11:31 AM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  
(15-05-2014 11:25 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  And this ladies and gentlemen is why 'faith' and 'gullibility' are synonymous... Facepalm

To you they are synonymous. By this reasoning, if you exercise faith in anything you are also gullible.

Implicit trust given without reason, validation, experience, verification, or any semblance of truth; is gullibility.

I trust my parents, they have given me many reasons to over my life; but even this trust is couched with skepticism, because of the knowledge that my parents are limited, biased, and fallible human beings.

You implicitly trust an imaginary pan-dimensional space-wizard that you attribute perfection to, and because this you never apply any skepticism to anything you attribute to your god concept. That is your cosmic loophole. This is why you fail to think critically.

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15-05-2014, 11:44 AM
RE: Jeremy Walker the nihilist
(15-05-2014 11:36 AM)rampant.a.i. Wrote:  
(15-05-2014 11:28 AM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  God caused me to believe in Him. You would say the same thing about someone you believe in.

That's just a semantic dodge.

I can be reasonably certain I met someone walking down the street today, because I've had the same experience of other people many times, and have learned since an early age to distinguish them from other animals, trees, and discount store mannequins holding signs.

This experience is in no way comparable to hearing a voice in your head, and deciding it comes from an outside source, and that source must be the Abrahamic God.

A voice in my head was not the cause for me believing in God. Sorry.
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