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11-07-2012, 05:43 PM
Jesus Camp
Having heard about the movie/documentary 'Jesus Camp' several times on the podcast, I decided to watch it. Good grief! I felt unclean when it was over. I had no idea things were that intense. No wonder people that come from that kind of background are either scarred or forever deluded and immersed in it.

I thought the Catholics were rough, but even in a Catholic town and a Catholic school I didn't witness anything like that.

Years ago we used to go to Myrtle Beach for a week in the summer. Actually a way south of MB itself in a more family friendly area. There were a lot of buildings that looked kind of like dorms or barracks and basketball courts and such starting next door to the first place we stayed and all the way to the street right before the water, which was about 3 blocks. Finally figured out those properties were owned by a Baptist or Pentecostal group and they used the area for conventions, retreats, and as we found, summer camp for kids.

We didn't pay them much attention until one year when a good friend of mine came out with her hubby and sons, and a spare. We rented the whole house instead of just the downstairs unit. The older teens stayed downstairs (her crew and my daughter plus a couple friends) while the adults and the pre-teens stayed upstairs. Turns out the nightly entertainment for the boys (who grew up in mainly Catholic and Lutheran Wisconsin) were setting up their chairs in the yard, grabbing a beer and watching while the 'cult kids' stood in a circle next door and prayed and sang and made what our guys considered to be animal noises.

The experience of seeing the ocean for the first time was overshadowed by actually witnessing what they considered a cult in action. What they invited us out to watch one evening was a tamer version of what I saw in Jesus Camp.

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11-07-2012, 06:14 PM
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Makes you wonder when the snakes handles would be coming out next.

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11-07-2012, 08:00 PM
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This documentary made the word obscene all too clear Smile

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14-07-2012, 01:25 AM
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I couldn't make it through the entire movie. Makes me sad what these kids are going through and what they are taught to accept as normal behavior.
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14-07-2012, 01:52 AM
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Damn, shit sounds messed up.
I gotta see this move now, there a link somewhere?

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14-07-2012, 06:37 AM
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The first time I saw a sign reading "Summer Bible Camp" I was horrified; how could parents do that to their children?

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14-07-2012, 06:56 AM
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(14-07-2012 01:25 AM)riseinside Wrote:  I couldn't make it through the entire movie. Makes me sad what these kids are going through and what they are taught to accept as normal behavior.
It is sad, besides the kid that is going to grow up and shoot up a clinic, there is the little girl who they have fully messed up. SPOILER ALERT - At the end her and her brother are in DC, to tour the Smithsonian? Nice try but no, they are there to protest in front of the Supreme Court with that creepy ass guy that taught them about abortion. As they are walking around with their pamphlets she is walking away from a group of African Americans and she says to her brother "they're probably Muslim" . So on top science denial, intolerance of other view points we can add racial profiling. This really was a very disturbing movie. Angry

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14-07-2012, 07:09 AM
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I just looked on Youtube and found the whole thing along with some deleted scenes and a visit 5 years later with one of the boys from the doc.

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14-07-2012, 08:12 AM
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Scarey shit.

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14-07-2012, 01:55 PM
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here we have a camp Jesus...

A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything. Friedrich Nietzsche
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