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20-10-2015, 12:29 PM
RE: Jesus Christ, A Pointless Sacrifice
(18-10-2015 10:39 AM)Deltabravo Wrote:  This debate about Paul is like asking whether R2D2 had BO. Who gives a fuck? He's fictitious. And...who gives a fuck?

What is your proof that Paul is a character from fiction rather than an actual person? Because more than one NT writer comments regarding Paul. We have documentary evidence. You?

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20-10-2015, 01:39 PM
RE: Jesus Christ, A Pointless Sacrifice
(20-10-2015 12:29 PM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  
(18-10-2015 10:39 AM)Deltabravo Wrote:  This debate about Paul is like asking whether R2D2 had BO. Who gives a fuck? He's fictitious. And...who gives a fuck?

What is your proof that Paul is a character from fiction rather than an actual person? Because more than one NT writer comments regarding Paul. We have documentary evidence. You?

Well, we have R2D2 on film -- what better documentary evidence could you ask for?

Seriously, though, I think Paul was a real person, and that his character and teachings are well worth debating. There is no worldwide religion with billions of followers based on the teachings of R2D2. There is such a religion based on the teachings of Paul (and Jesus).
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20-10-2015, 01:50 PM
RE: Jesus Christ, A Pointless Sacrifice
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/paul.htm

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20-10-2015, 07:00 PM
RE: Jesus Christ, A Pointless Sacrifice
(20-10-2015 12:29 PM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  
(18-10-2015 10:39 AM)Deltabravo Wrote:  This debate about Paul is like asking whether R2D2 had BO. Who gives a fuck? He's fictitious. And...who gives a fuck?

What is your proof that Paul is a character from fiction rather than an actual person? Because more than one NT writer comments regarding Paul. We have documentary evidence. You?

If I write a comment about the flying spaghetti monster, does that make the FSM real?
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20-10-2015, 09:40 PM
RE: Jesus Christ, A Pointless Sacrifice
(20-10-2015 01:50 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/paul.htm

Like all these characters.

This is a product of a "literary guild" operating out of the Library of Alexandria.

Here is an example of this in Homer (not Simpson, ok haha):

The Homeridae were a family, clan or professional lineage on the island of Chios[1] claiming descent from the Greek epic poet Homer.

The origin of the name seems obvious: in classical Greek the word should mean "children of Homer". An analogous name, Asclepiadae, identified a clan or guild of medical practitioners as "children of Asclepius". However, since the existence of the Homeridae is authenticated while that of Homer is not, and since Greek homeros is a common noun meaning "hostage", it was suggested even in ancient times that the Homeridae were in reality "children (or descendants) of hostages". The natural further step is to argue that Homer, the supposed founder, is a mythical figure, a mere back-formation, deriving his name from that of the later guild.

Their influence on the dark early history of transmission of the Homeric texts, though incalculable, is sure to have been conservative.[2]

Evidence on the Homeridae relates to the late sixth, fifth and fourth centuries BC, after which nothing more is heard of them.

The first contemporary mention of this group is in a poem of about 485 BC by Pindar:

In the same way as the Homeridae,

Singers of stitched words, usually
Begin with an address to Zeus ...

[3]
A "singer of stitched words" is a literal definition of a rhapsode.


Mark, what you are doing is taking something which is written in a way which we don't understand and just assuming that when "Paul" is mentioned that whoever wrote about him is being straight about it. Why would that be the case in respect of a series of books, gospels and letters which talk about fictitious events. Of course, I assume that by coming here you accept that the events in the NT where Jesus walked on water, healed people, changed water into wine are fictitious and that it is meant to make people believe in things which are impossible, like resurrection.

So, surely the starting point is that it has to be a massive "hoax". All religions are fundamentally hoaxes intended to con people and that is why they are written anonymously, so that no one can get to the author, question the accuracy of what is said. It's a formula devised by ancient guilds who plied this craft out of places like the Library at Alexandria for the ruling elite's benefit. They were paid to write this stuff.
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20-10-2015, 09:44 PM
RE: Jesus Christ, A Pointless Sacrifice
(20-10-2015 09:40 PM)Deltabravo Wrote:  
(20-10-2015 01:50 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/paul.htm

Like all these characters.

This is a product of a "literary guild" operating out of the Library of Alexandria.

Here is an example of this in Homer (not Simpson, ok haha):

The Homeridae were a family, clan or professional lineage on the island of Chios[1] claiming descent from the Greek epic poet Homer.

The origin of the name seems obvious: in classical Greek the word should mean "children of Homer". An analogous name, Asclepiadae, identified a clan or guild of medical practitioners as "children of Asclepius". However, since the existence of the Homeridae is authenticated while that of Homer is not, and since Greek homeros is a common noun meaning "hostage", it was suggested even in ancient times that the Homeridae were in reality "children (or descendants) of hostages". The natural further step is to argue that Homer, the supposed founder, is a mythical figure, a mere back-formation, deriving his name from that of the later guild.

Their influence on the dark early history of transmission of the Homeric texts, though incalculable, is sure to have been conservative.[2]

Evidence on the Homeridae relates to the late sixth, fifth and fourth centuries BC, after which nothing more is heard of them.

The first contemporary mention of this group is in a poem of about 485 BC by Pindar:

In the same way as the Homeridae,

Singers of stitched words, usually
Begin with an address to Zeus ...

[3]
A "singer of stitched words" is a literal definition of a rhapsode.


Mark, what you are doing is taking something which is written in a way which we don't understand and just assuming that when "Paul" is mentioned that whoever wrote about him is being straight about it. Why would that be the case in respect of a series of books, gospels and letters which talk about fictitious events. Of course, I assume that by coming here you accept that the events in the NT where Jesus walked on water, healed people, changed water into wine are fictitious and that it is meant to make people believe in things which are impossible, like resurrection.

So, surely the starting point is that it has to be a massive "hoax". All religions are fundamentally hoaxes intended to con people and that is why they are written anonymously, so that no one can get to the author, question the accuracy of what is said. It's a formula devised by ancient guilds who plied this craft out of places like the Library at Alexandria for the ruling elite's benefit. They were paid to write this stuff.

No doubt, it was the Masons or aliens, right ?

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20-10-2015, 09:46 PM
RE: Jesus Christ, A Pointless Sacrifice
(20-10-2015 07:00 PM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  
(20-10-2015 12:29 PM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  What is your proof that Paul is a character from fiction rather than an actual person? Because more than one NT writer comments regarding Paul. We have documentary evidence. You?

If I write a comment about the flying spaghetti monster, does that make the FSM real?

Q hasn't figured it out yet. Is he a Christian?
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20-10-2015, 11:11 PM
RE: Jesus Christ, A Pointless Sacrifice
(20-10-2015 09:40 PM)Deltabravo Wrote:  
(20-10-2015 01:50 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/paul.htm

Like all these characters.

This is a product of a "literary guild" operating out of the Library of Alexandria.

Here is an example of this in Homer (not Simpson, ok haha):

The Homeridae were a family, clan or professional lineage on the island of Chios[1] claiming descent from the Greek epic poet Homer.

The origin of the name seems obvious: in classical Greek the word should mean "children of Homer". An analogous name, Asclepiadae, identified a clan or guild of medical practitioners as "children of Asclepius". However, since the existence of the Homeridae is authenticated while that of Homer is not, and since Greek homeros is a common noun meaning "hostage", it was suggested even in ancient times that the Homeridae were in reality "children (or descendants) of hostages". The natural further step is to argue that Homer, the supposed founder, is a mythical figure, a mere back-formation, deriving his name from that of the later guild.

Their influence on the dark early history of transmission of the Homeric texts, though incalculable, is sure to have been conservative.[2]

Evidence on the Homeridae relates to the late sixth, fifth and fourth centuries BC, after which nothing more is heard of them.

The first contemporary mention of this group is in a poem of about 485 BC by Pindar:

In the same way as the Homeridae,

Singers of stitched words, usually
Begin with an address to Zeus ...

[3]
A "singer of stitched words" is a literal definition of a rhapsode.


Mark, what you are doing is taking something which is written in a way which we don't understand and just assuming that when "Paul" is mentioned that whoever wrote about him is being straight about it. Why would that be the case in respect of a series of books, gospels and letters which talk about fictitious events. Of course, I assume that by coming here you accept that the events in the NT where Jesus walked on water, healed people, changed water into wine are fictitious and that it is meant to make people believe in things which are impossible, like resurrection.

So, surely the starting point is that it has to be a massive "hoax". All religions are fundamentally hoaxes intended to con people and that is why they are written anonymously, so that no one can get to the author, question the accuracy of what is said. It's a formula devised by ancient guilds who plied this craft out of places like the Library at Alexandria for the ruling elite's benefit. They were paid to write this stuff.

Mark, what you are doing is taking something which is written in a way which we don't understand and just assuming that when "Paul" is mentioned that whoever wrote about him is being straight about it.


I'm not sure you understand (fully) what I have written about Paul.

Please explain yourself a little more.

So, surely the starting point is that it has to be a massive "hoax". All religions are fundamentally hoaxes intended to con people and that is why they are written anonymously, so that no one can get to the author, question the accuracy of what is said.

Agreed.

However most scholars agree that roughly half of "Paul's" writings were written by the same character....and then interpolated and edited. Almost everything else in the NT is , effectively, anonymous.

You have mentioned that you think "Paul" is Josephus. I'd like to see your evidence for that.
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20-10-2015, 11:18 PM
RE: Jesus Christ, A Pointless Sacrifice
(20-10-2015 09:46 PM)Deltabravo Wrote:  
(20-10-2015 07:00 PM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  If I write a comment about the flying spaghetti monster, does that make the FSM real?

Q hasn't figured it out yet. Is he a Christian?

Yep, he's a Christian for sure. One of the "born again" variety. He's been hanging around for a while, so he's not quite as confident and loud as he used to be....he's slowly discovering how much he doesn't know.
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20-10-2015, 11:31 PM
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(20-10-2015 11:18 PM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  he's slowly discovering how much he doesn't know.

He is? Seems to me that he has inexhaustible supplies of douchebaggery and cognitive dissonance...

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