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17-07-2015, 07:08 PM (This post was last modified: 18-07-2015 12:37 AM by Mark Fulton.)
RE: Jesus Christ, A Pointless Sacrifice
(17-07-2015 10:04 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  Mark,

I spend an inordinate amount of time (gently or trying to do so gently) refuting Mormons, JW's, Catholics, etc. regarding their misuse, misunderstanding and misinterpretation of scripture. At least they are trying to be in God's will somehow and at least they believe (if not fervently) the scripture is true--that is, we actually TALK about scriptural concepts even if they disagree with me 100%. I don't see an overwhelming need to discuss tons of scripture with you that you are wresting wholly out of context and logic. And yes, I'll play the context card many times because it's important. An airline's jet is not very wieldy on the ground, in the context of the air it works modern wonders.

Slow down your stream-of-consciousness rebellion against God and His chosen, Paul. Pick one or two ideas, and one or two verses to interpret. Then we can discuss them or I can (attempt to) correct you if I can, and indeed and of course, if you need correction. But it's near-useless posting dozens of ideas across five posts every time to me, as millions of people receive Paul, like I do, as someone sincere and very learned in the OT, its interpretation and theology. A formerly aggressive person who became extremely gentle to others and saw thousands of people trust Jesus.

I feel like a hog or troll as it is because I try to reply to most everyone on these threads, forcing me at times to do five or six posts at once. I will not reply to you if you just spew out rhetoric not wishing to be debated--I will reply if you limit your rhetoric to one or two ideas you'd like me to consider.

Thanks for your consideration. Like Jesus, I often feel a few pithy statements are more insightful than "Here's everything I can think of that shows over and over again my mom and dad and Q and every person who loves Jesus is totally deceived!" That won't play well in public or on a forum IMHO.

Thanks!

"But it's near-useless posting dozens of ideas across five posts every time to me, as millions of people receive Paul, like I do, as someone sincere and very learned in the OT, its interpretation and theology."

It's plainly obvious that you have trouble understanding what I write. Others don't. So you're only demonstrating your lack of intellectual capability. I have shown that Paul was not sincere, and that he had only a superficial understanding of Scripture. You simply stating something opposite, without citing evidence, does nothing for your argument.

"I will not reply to you if you just spew out rhetoric not wishing to be debated--I will reply if you limit your rhetoric to one or two ideas you'd like me to consider."

Ha ha. The reality is you're not up to a debate. You are effectively admitting that I have too many good ideas that you can't refute. You don't have the knowledge, or the intellectual integrity, or the balls to take me on.Big Grin Read that again.
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17-07-2015, 07:17 PM (This post was last modified: 17-07-2015 11:53 PM by Mark Fulton.)
RE: Jesus Christ, A Pointless Sacrifice
(17-07-2015 10:04 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  Mark,

I spend an inordinate amount of time (gently or trying to do so gently) refuting Mormons, JW's, Catholics, etc. regarding their misuse, misunderstanding and misinterpretation of scripture. At least they are trying to be in God's will somehow and at least they believe (if not fervently) the scripture is true--that is, we actually TALK about scriptural concepts even if they disagree with me 100%. I don't see an overwhelming need to discuss tons of scripture with you that you are wresting wholly out of context and logic. And yes, I'll play the context card many times because it's important. An airline's jet is not very wieldy on the ground, in the context of the air it works modern wonders.

Slow down your stream-of-consciousness rebellion against God and His chosen, Paul. Pick one or two ideas, and one or two verses to interpret. Then we can discuss them or I can (attempt to) correct you if I can, and indeed and of course, if you need correction. But it's near-useless posting dozens of ideas across five posts every time to me, as millions of people receive Paul, like I do, as someone sincere and very learned in the OT, its interpretation and theology. A formerly aggressive person who became extremely gentle to others and saw thousands of people trust Jesus.

I feel like a hog or troll as it is because I try to reply to most everyone on these threads, forcing me at times to do five or six posts at once. I will not reply to you if you just spew out rhetoric not wishing to be debated--I will reply if you limit your rhetoric to one or two ideas you'd like me to consider.

Thanks for your consideration. Like Jesus, I often feel a few pithy statements are more insightful than "Here's everything I can think of that shows over and over again my mom and dad and Q and every person who loves Jesus is totally deceived!" That won't play well in public or on a forum IMHO.

Thanks!

"I often feel a few pithy statements are more insightful than "Here's everything I can think of that shows over and over again my mom and dad and Q and every person who loves Jesus is totally deceived!" That won't play well in public or on a forum IMHO."

You don't know my parents. My dad is dead, he didn't love Jesus (dad lived in the real world)) and my mum now thinks your Jeebus was a fuckwit.

Unfortunately for you, your opinion on what the public likes is not backed up in the polling....
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17-07-2015, 07:32 PM (This post was last modified: 17-07-2015 11:54 PM by Mark Fulton.)
RE: Jesus Christ, A Pointless Sacrifice
(17-07-2015 10:04 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  Mark,

I spend an inordinate amount of time (gently or trying to do so gently) refuting Mormons, JW's, Catholics, etc. regarding their misuse, misunderstanding and misinterpretation of scripture. At least they are trying to be in God's will somehow and at least they believe (if not fervently) the scripture is true--that is, we actually TALK about scriptural concepts even if they disagree with me 100%. I don't see an overwhelming need to discuss tons of scripture with you that you are wresting wholly out of context and logic. And yes, I'll play the context card many times because it's important. An airline's jet is not very wieldy on the ground, in the context of the air it works modern wonders.

Slow down your stream-of-consciousness rebellion against God and His chosen, Paul. Pick one or two ideas, and one or two verses to interpret. Then we can discuss them or I can (attempt to) correct you if I can, and indeed and of course, if you need correction. But it's near-useless posting dozens of ideas across five posts every time to me, as millions of people receive Paul, like I do, as someone sincere and very learned in the OT, its interpretation and theology. A formerly aggressive person who became extremely gentle to others and saw thousands of people trust Jesus.

I feel like a hog or troll as it is because I try to reply to most everyone on these threads, forcing me at times to do five or six posts at once. I will not reply to you if you just spew out rhetoric not wishing to be debated--I will reply if you limit your rhetoric to one or two ideas you'd like me to consider.

Thanks for your consideration. Like Jesus, I often feel a few pithy statements are more insightful than "Here's everything I can think of that shows over and over again my mom and dad and Q and every person who loves Jesus is totally deceived!" That won't play well in public or on a forum IMHO.

Thanks!

"I will not reply to you if you just spew out rhetoric not wishing to be debated..."

You are obviously misrepresenting me. This is what I wrote to you...

"Let's get down to the nuts and bolts of Christianity. I open the door to you. Tell us who Paul was, where he sourced his ideas, why he did what he did, why he is respected by Christians, and how his letters got into the Bible, and when. Tell us what Paul knew of the Jesus of the gospels. Tell us about Paul's relationship with the followers of Jesus. Tell us about the relationship between today's gospels and Paul's writings.

This is your chance to educate us. With facts. We want facts, and only then your opinions. Cut out the ad hominems, the appeals to authority, and don't change the topic, and answer all the questions you are asked. I'll try to do the same."

I want to debate you. You won't take me on because deep down you know you'll be shot off at the kneecaps. You're not intellectually honest enough and brave enough to engage me in a real debate.
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17-07-2015, 07:45 PM (This post was last modified: 18-07-2015 12:38 AM by Mark Fulton.)
RE: Jesus Christ, A Pointless Sacrifice
(17-07-2015 10:04 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  Mark,

I spend an inordinate amount of time (gently or trying to do so gently) refuting Mormons, JW's, Catholics, etc. regarding their misuse, misunderstanding and misinterpretation of scripture. At least they are trying to be in God's will somehow and at least they believe (if not fervently) the scripture is true--that is, we actually TALK about scriptural concepts even if they disagree with me 100%. I don't see an overwhelming need to discuss tons of scripture with you that you are wresting wholly out of context and logic. And yes, I'll play the context card many times because it's important. An airline's jet is not very wieldy on the ground, in the context of the air it works modern wonders.

Slow down your stream-of-consciousness rebellion against God and His chosen, Paul. Pick one or two ideas, and one or two verses to interpret. Then we can discuss them or I can (attempt to) correct you if I can, and indeed and of course, if you need correction. But it's near-useless posting dozens of ideas across five posts every time to me, as millions of people receive Paul, like I do, as someone sincere and very learned in the OT, its interpretation and theology. A formerly aggressive person who became extremely gentle to others and saw thousands of people trust Jesus.

I feel like a hog or troll as it is because I try to reply to most everyone on these threads, forcing me at times to do five or six posts at once. I will not reply to you if you just spew out rhetoric not wishing to be debated--I will reply if you limit your rhetoric to one or two ideas you'd like me to consider.

Thanks for your consideration. Like Jesus, I often feel a few pithy statements are more insightful than "Here's everything I can think of that shows over and over again my mom and dad and Q and every person who loves Jesus is totally deceived!" That won't play well in public or on a forum IMHO.

Thanks!

"Like Jesus, I often feel a few pithy statements..."

Ha ha. Here we have another version of Paul's ( "take me for your model... as I take Christ") delusions of grandeur.
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17-07-2015, 08:03 PM (This post was last modified: 17-07-2015 08:10 PM by Mark Fulton.)
RE: Jesus Christ, A Pointless Sacrifice
(17-07-2015 11:29 AM)goodwithoutgod Wrote:  
(17-07-2015 10:25 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  The democratic "State of Israel", in which the majority of its occupants are Arabs and secular Jews in NO WAY can be seen (except by biased delusional fools) to meet any sort of prediction for a restoration of the ancient KINGDOM of Israel. (But I guess I do see why you think prophecies were fulfilled if such flimsy out-of-the-ballpark nonsense can meet your criteria ... then actually ANYTHING can be seen to meet any prediction, and you have no standards).

You are not qualified for what you seem to think you are doing. Would one year be adequate for a physician's training ? Nope. You are a quack and a charlatan snake-oil salesman.

Too bad Q. You fail again.

oh that tired ol "prophesy of israel".....I dont think Q comprehends how millions of delusional believers can by sheer effort over time MAKE something appear to come true....it is like self-fulfilled prophesy. But as usual, they pretend to think one so called prophesy appearing to come true thousands of years later overcomes the HUNDREDS of prophesies never come to fruitation, or the fact that the false messiah jesus (which in itself is an oxymoronic concept as there is no such thing as an actual messiah) didn't follow through with the "foretold messiah prophesy." Rolleyes

List of 480 reasons christianity is false:

http://www.kyroot.com/

Another extensive breakdown:

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Biblical_prophecies

Extensive list of falsified prophesies:

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/proph/long.html

and then my favorite never realized prophesy...jesus:

The Bible claims that Jesus made the following comment:

Matthew 16:28

“Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”

Jesus also advised against going to court over someone who steals something and also told people not to store up stocks or reserves for the future. Clearly, he thought the end was very near.

Likewise, Paul advised followers not to marry and that the end time was near. In this scripture he obviously believes that some of the people he is talking to will still be alive at the second coming.

I Thessalonians 4: 16-18

“For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet of God; and the dead in Christ shall rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words.”

The obvious fact is that the second coming was not forthcoming at that time, or even close to being near. The 2000-year delay is a strong piece of evidence that Christianity is a failed religion.

The following quote from Stephen L. Harris, Professor Emeritus of Humanities and Religious Studies at California State University- Sacramento, completes this point with a devastating argument. Remember that Jesus was a Jew who had no intention to deviate from the Hebrew scriptures:

“Jesus did not accomplish what Israel’s prophets said the Messiah was commissioned to do: He did not deliver the covenant people from their Gentile enemies, reassemble those scattered in the Diaspora, restore the Davidic kingdom, or establish universal peace (cf.Isa. 9:6–7; 11:7–12:16, etc.). Instead of freeing Jews from oppressors and thereby fulfilling God’s ancient promises—for land, nationhood, kingship, and blessing—Jesus died a “shameful” death, defeated by the very political powers the Messiah was prophesied to overcome. Indeed, the Hebrew prophets did not foresee that Israel’s savior would be executed as a common criminal by Gentiles, making Jesus’ crucifixion a “stumbling block” to scripturally literate Jews. (1 Cor.1:23)”

Jesus’ immediate followers, mostly his 12 disciples, probably did not immediately identify this failure, because after Jesus’ body was likely stolen and concealed, a rumor spread that Jesus had been resurrected from the dead. A sense of optimism overcame their grief about his execution and renewed some hope that he was a true messiah. If they had known then that there was to be no return in the near or long-term future, they likely would have abandoned any further activity. Despite this resurgence in their faith, they never agreed with Paul’s concept of Jesus as being divine. Anything written in the Bible to suggest that they did is probably a result of later editing by some of Paul’s followers. Such a belief would have been an exceptional departure from the Jewish faith.

ah but no worries, continue to tapdance and wave your fingers in front of your own eyes while stamping your feet and trying to explain away the plethora of evidence that solidly and repetitively eviscerated the fictional book called the bible. carry on Q.

I totally agree with everything you've written... except maybe this...

"because after Jesus’ body was likely stolen and concealed, a rumor spread that Jesus had been resurrected from the dead."

I'm not sure that any of the real original followers of Jesus ever imagined that he had risen from the dead. James, the author of the epistle in today's Bible, who just may may have been Jesus's brother, does not mention the fantastic fact of the resurrection once. Nor does his other possible brother, Jude. There are no other writings, either inside or outside the Bible, that have survived from the family or original followers of Jesus to prove that they thought he had risen from the dead.

In fact the original Gospel, Mark, which the others copy, did not contain the post-mortem appearance of Jesus to anyone. That had to be written into that Gospel much later.

It is my guess that the resurrection of Jesus was only added into the gospels when Paul's teachings about the Christ were merged with the gospels in the early second century.

None of the Jewish followers of Jesus thought he had risen from the dead. The whole rather ridiculous idea was invented by Paul, whose Christ he had rising from the dead.
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RE: Jesus Christ, A Pointless Sacrifice
(17-07-2015 07:08 PM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  
(17-07-2015 10:04 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  Mark,

I spend an inordinate amount of time (gently or trying to do so gently) refuting Mormons, JW's, Catholics, etc. regarding their misuse, misunderstanding and misinterpretation of scripture. At least they are trying to be in God's will somehow and at least they believe (if not fervently) the scripture is true--that is, we actually TALK about scriptural concepts even if they disagree with me 100%. I don't see an overwhelming need to discuss tons of scripture with you that you are wresting wholly out of context and logic. And yes, I'll play the context card many times because it's important. An airline's jet is not very wieldy on the ground, in the context of the air it works modern wonders.

Slow down your stream-of-consciousness rebellion against God and His chosen, Paul. Pick one or two ideas, and one or two verses to interpret. Then we can discuss them or I can (attempt to) correct you if I can, and indeed and of course, if you need correction. But it's near-useless posting dozens of ideas across five posts every time to me, as millions of people receive Paul, like I do, as someone sincere and very learned in the OT, its interpretation and theology. A formerly aggressive person who became extremely gentle to others and saw thousands of people trust Jesus.

I feel like a hog or troll as it is because I try to reply to most everyone on these threads, forcing me at times to do five or six posts at once. I will not reply to you if you just spew out rhetoric not wishing to be debated--I will reply if you limit your rhetoric to one or two ideas you'd like me to consider.

Thanks for your consideration. Like Jesus, I often feel a few pithy statements are more insightful than "Here's everything I can think of that shows over and over again my mom and dad and Q and every person who loves Jesus is totally deceived!" That won't play well in public or on a forum IMHO.

Thanks!

"But it's near-useless posting dozens of ideas across five posts every time to me, as millions of people receive Paul, like I do, as someone sincere and very learned in the OT, its interpretation and theology."

It's plainly obvious that you have trouble understanding what I write. Others don't. So you're only demonstrating your lack of intellectual capability. I have demonstrated that Paul was not sincere, and that he had only a superficial understanding of Scripture. You simply stating something opposite, without citing evidence, does nothing for your argument.

"I will not reply to you if you just spew out rhetoric not wishing to be debated--I will reply if you limit your rhetoric to one or two ideas you'd like me to consider."

Ha ha. The reality is you're not up to the task. You are effectively admitting that I have too many good ideas that you can't refute. You don't have the knowledge, or the intellectual integrity, or the balls to take me on.Big Grin

Fallacy called 'ad populum'. Those millions of people know practically nothing about biblical scholarship, or history, or Paul, or anything even remotely related.

Insufferable know-it-all.Einstein God has a plan for us. Please stop screwing it up with your prayers.
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17-07-2015, 08:49 PM
RE: Jesus Christ, A Pointless Sacrifice
(17-07-2015 08:03 PM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  
(17-07-2015 11:29 AM)goodwithoutgod Wrote:  oh that tired ol "prophesy of israel".....I dont think Q comprehends how millions of delusional believers can by sheer effort over time MAKE something appear to come true....it is like self-fulfilled prophesy. But as usual, they pretend to think one so called prophesy appearing to come true thousands of years later overcomes the HUNDREDS of prophesies never come to fruitation, or the fact that the false messiah jesus (which in itself is an oxymoronic concept as there is no such thing as an actual messiah) didn't follow through with the "foretold messiah prophesy." Rolleyes

List of 480 reasons christianity is false:

http://www.kyroot.com/

Another extensive breakdown:

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Biblical_prophecies

Extensive list of falsified prophesies:

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/proph/long.html

and then my favorite never realized prophesy...jesus:

The Bible claims that Jesus made the following comment:

Matthew 16:28

“Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”

Jesus also advised against going to court over someone who steals something and also told people not to store up stocks or reserves for the future. Clearly, he thought the end was very near.

Likewise, Paul advised followers not to marry and that the end time was near. In this scripture he obviously believes that some of the people he is talking to will still be alive at the second coming.

I Thessalonians 4: 16-18

“For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet of God; and the dead in Christ shall rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words.”

The obvious fact is that the second coming was not forthcoming at that time, or even close to being near. The 2000-year delay is a strong piece of evidence that Christianity is a failed religion.

The following quote from Stephen L. Harris, Professor Emeritus of Humanities and Religious Studies at California State University- Sacramento, completes this point with a devastating argument. Remember that Jesus was a Jew who had no intention to deviate from the Hebrew scriptures:

“Jesus did not accomplish what Israel’s prophets said the Messiah was commissioned to do: He did not deliver the covenant people from their Gentile enemies, reassemble those scattered in the Diaspora, restore the Davidic kingdom, or establish universal peace (cf.Isa. 9:6–7; 11:7–12:16, etc.). Instead of freeing Jews from oppressors and thereby fulfilling God’s ancient promises—for land, nationhood, kingship, and blessing—Jesus died a “shameful” death, defeated by the very political powers the Messiah was prophesied to overcome. Indeed, the Hebrew prophets did not foresee that Israel’s savior would be executed as a common criminal by Gentiles, making Jesus’ crucifixion a “stumbling block” to scripturally literate Jews. (1 Cor.1:23)”

Jesus’ immediate followers, mostly his 12 disciples, probably did not immediately identify this failure, because after Jesus’ body was likely stolen and concealed, a rumor spread that Jesus had been resurrected from the dead. A sense of optimism overcame their grief about his execution and renewed some hope that he was a true messiah. If they had known then that there was to be no return in the near or long-term future, they likely would have abandoned any further activity. Despite this resurgence in their faith, they never agreed with Paul’s concept of Jesus as being divine. Anything written in the Bible to suggest that they did is probably a result of later editing by some of Paul’s followers. Such a belief would have been an exceptional departure from the Jewish faith.

ah but no worries, continue to tapdance and wave your fingers in front of your own eyes while stamping your feet and trying to explain away the plethora of evidence that solidly and repetitively eviscerated the fictional book called the bible. carry on Q.

I totally agree with everything you've written... except maybe this...

"because after Jesus’ body was likely stolen and concealed, a rumor spread that Jesus had been resurrected from the dead."

I'm not sure that any of the real original followers of Jesus ever imagined that he had risen from the dead. James, the author of the epistle in today's Bible, who just may may have been Jesus's brother, does not mention the fantastic fact of the resurrection once. Nor does his other possible brother, Jude. There are no other writings, either inside or outside the Bible, that have survived from the family or original followers of Jesus to prove that they thought he had risen from the dead.

In fact the original Gospel, Mark, which the others copy, did not contain the post-mortem appearance of Jesus to anyone. That had to be written into that Gospel much later.

It is my guess that the resurrection of Jesus was only added into the gospels when Paul's teachings about the Christ were merged with the gospels in the early second century.

None of the Jewish followers of Jesus thought he had risen from the dead. The whole rather ridiculous idea was invented by Paul, whose Christ he had rising from the dead.

Good point, sometimes I am too kind and give them more credit then deserved for creative writing Smartass

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17-07-2015, 08:51 PM
RE: Jesus Christ, A Pointless Sacrifice
(17-07-2015 07:08 PM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  
(17-07-2015 10:04 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  Mark,

I spend an inordinate amount of time (gently or trying to do so gently) refuting Mormons, JW's, Catholics, etc. regarding their misuse, misunderstanding and misinterpretation of scripture.

This guy is just an insufferable egotistical prick, he's got it all figured out, he knows what the Truth is and no one else does except him. How very Paulistinian of him, too bad he doesn't care about reality, he thinks gawd has guided his greatness to this forum to educate us.

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17-07-2015, 08:58 PM (This post was last modified: 18-07-2015 12:56 AM by Mark Fulton.)
RE: Jesus Christ, A Pointless Sacrifice
(17-07-2015 10:04 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  Mark,

I spend an inordinate amount of time (gently or trying to do so gently) refuting Mormons, JW's, Catholics, etc. regarding their misuse, misunderstanding and misinterpretation of scripture. At least they are trying to be in God's will somehow and at least they believe (if not fervently) the scripture is true--that is, we actually TALK about scriptural concepts even if they disagree with me 100%. I don't see an overwhelming need to discuss tons of scripture with you that you are wresting wholly out of context and logic. And yes, I'll play the context card many times because it's important. An airline's jet is not very wieldy on the ground, in the context of the air it works modern wonders.

Slow down your stream-of-consciousness rebellion against God and His chosen, Paul. Pick one or two ideas, and one or two verses to interpret. Then we can discuss them or I can (attempt to) correct you if I can, and indeed and of course, if you need correction. But it's near-useless posting dozens of ideas across five posts every time to me, as millions of people receive Paul, like I do, as someone sincere and very learned in the OT, its interpretation and theology. A formerly aggressive person who became extremely gentle to others and saw thousands of people trust Jesus.

I feel like a hog or troll as it is because I try to reply to most everyone on these threads, forcing me at times to do five or six posts at once. I will not reply to you if you just spew out rhetoric not wishing to be debated--I will reply if you limit your rhetoric to one or two ideas you'd like me to consider.

Thanks for your consideration. Like Jesus, I often feel a few pithy statements are more insightful than "Here's everything I can think of that shows over and over again my mom and dad and Q and every person who loves Jesus is totally deceived!" That won't play well in public or on a forum IMHO.

Thanks!

You think Paul was sincere? Ah....no. Paul was a liar and an opportunist....

“And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law. To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.” (1 Corinthians 9:20-23, KJV)

"But be it so, I did not burden you: nevertheless, being crafty, I caught you with guile." ( 2 Corinthians 12:16 )

"For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?" ( Romans 3:7 )
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17-07-2015, 09:04 PM (This post was last modified: 17-07-2015 11:22 PM by Mark Fulton.)
RE: Jesus Christ, A Pointless Sacrifice
(17-07-2015 08:51 PM)TheInquisition Wrote:  
(17-07-2015 07:08 PM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  

This guy is just an insufferable egotistical prick, he's got it all figured out, he knows what the Truth is and no one else does except him. How very Paulistinian of him, too bad he doesn't care about reality, he thinks gawd has guided his greatness to this forum to educate us.

Yep. Totally agreed...

Luther, Calvin, Joseph Smith, the popes, Graham, Hagee, Hinn, the local pastor, Q....they're all versions of the same thing...

"look up to me, cos only I know how to interpret Jeebus..."

"everyone else is trying to rip you off..."

Over the centuries, people disillusioned with various Christian Churches have branched off to form their own, so there are now over 34,000 Christian denominations in the world. Each “new” Church usually has spokesmen, like Q, who claim that they want to “return” to the basics of the Gospels, to Jesus’ “original message.” An informed person usually cringes a little on hearing yet another version of such talk, for many reasons.

Jesus’ divinity, his miracles and his injunctions are obviously fabricated. Dogma based on falsehood has no value.

It can be argued that Jesus’ teachings are not particularly meritorious, interesting or innovative. Many of Jesus’ injunctions were probably invented to suppress critical thought, stifle people’s individuality, and to discourage crowds from complaining.

Jesus’ fans, such as the Q, all cherry pick and reinterpret what Jesus allegedly said, and that is not intellectually honest.

There is little point turning to Jesus. There are far better places to find true “spirituality,” such as when exploring the marvels of science, or being with loved ones, friends, or maybe in a stranger’s smile, a child’s hug, a neighbor’s thank you, or the satisfaction of a job well done. It comes with a healthy self - esteem, and most often as a consequence of the love and respect we get from each other.
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