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20-07-2015, 05:54 PM
RE: Jesus Christ, A Pointless Sacrifice
(20-07-2015 10:08 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  
(17-07-2015 07:32 PM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  "I will not reply to you if you just spew out rhetoric not wishing to be debated..."

You are obviously misrepresenting me. This is what I wrote to you...

"Let's get down to the nuts and bolts of Christianity. I open the door to you. Tell us who Paul was, where he sourced his ideas, why he did what he did, why he is respected by Christians, and how his letters got into the Bible, and when. Tell us what Paul knew of the Jesus of the gospels. Tell us about Paul's relationship with the followers of Jesus. Tell us about the relationship between today's gospels and Paul's writings.

This is your chance to educate us. With facts. We want facts, and only then your opinions. Cut out the ad hominems, the appeals to authority, and don't change the topic, and answer all the questions you are asked. I'll try to do the same."

I want to debate you. You won't take me on because deep down you know you'll be shot off at the kneecaps. You're not intellectually honest enough and brave enough to engage me in a real debate.

Again, I won't take you on in a debate where you rapid-fire post eight or nine messages. Keep it neat.

Have you heard of N.T. Wright? He has released a two-volume, 1,600-page set on Paul answering the questions you've posted above and more. Start there...

"Have you heard of N.T. Wright? He has released a two-volume, 1,600-page set on Paul answering the questions you've posted above and more. Start there..."

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20-07-2015, 08:06 PM (This post was last modified: 20-07-2015 08:14 PM by Mark Fulton.)
RE: Jesus Christ, A Pointless Sacrifice
(20-07-2015 10:08 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  
(17-07-2015 07:32 PM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  "I will not reply to you if you just spew out rhetoric not wishing to be debated..."

You are obviously misrepresenting me. This is what I wrote to you...

"Let's get down to the nuts and bolts of Christianity. I open the door to you. Tell us who Paul was, where he sourced his ideas, why he did what he did, why he is respected by Christians, and how his letters got into the Bible, and when. Tell us what Paul knew of the Jesus of the gospels. Tell us about Paul's relationship with the followers of Jesus. Tell us about the relationship between today's gospels and Paul's writings.

This is your chance to educate us. With facts. We want facts, and only then your opinions. Cut out the ad hominems, the appeals to authority, and don't change the topic, and answer all the questions you are asked. I'll try to do the same."

I want to debate you. You won't take me on because deep down you know you'll be shot off at the kneecaps. You're not intellectually honest enough and brave enough to engage me in a real debate.

Again, I won't take you on in a debate where you rapid-fire post eight or nine messages. Keep it neat.

Have you heard of N.T. Wright? He has released a two-volume, 1,600-page set on Paul answering the questions you've posted above and more. Start there...

"Have you heard of N.T. Wright? He has released a two-volume, 1,600-page set on Paul answering the questions you've posted above and more. Start there..."

Yes, I've heard of him. No, I haven't read his book. And I'm not going to either.

I did listen, carefully, to this nearly 80 minute talk by him on Paul.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkcjFHYIugY

Wright is sincere, and articulate.

Yet he, like you, is not seeing the wood for the trees. He doesn't, even once, address who Paul was, i.e. who paid him and why. He doesn't discuss where Paul may have sourced his information. He doesn't address why anyone today should think that this Paul character had any credibility. He doesn't discuss the relationship between Paul and the followers of Jesus. He doesn't mention how Paul's letters got into the Bible. He barely discusses the fact that Paul's letters are not always written by Paul, and they have all been edited and interpolated. He barely mentions the pathetic and the immoral things that Paul writes... the misogyny, the homophobia, the suppression of rational thought, and damage that this has caused the world over the centuries.

He simply assumes that these letters, which he lovingly fingers in his leather bound tome, have some inherent truth and wisdom. Wright fails to appreciate that we, modern people, have a far superior understanding of what is right and wrong and how the world works, than the over imaginative, narcissistic two-faced preacher called Paul.

This Wright character is, in fact, making a living out of spouting bullshit. The people he's talking to, who are obviously half asleep, have switched their brains off, out of habit.

I don't know as much about Paul's letters as this Wright right character does. I've got better things to do than read nonsense. Yet at least I'm honest enough to have learned something of the times in which they were written. I have also addressed the real questions about Paul's legitimacy. Wright hasn't, and neither have you.

You imagine you have a nuanced and learned understanding of the babble. Yet you are not honest and real enough to ask the big questions. That is where you need to start.
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20-07-2015, 08:22 PM
RE: Jesus Christ, A Pointless Sacrifice
(20-07-2015 05:04 PM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  [quote='The Q Continuum' pid='816584' dateline='1437408489']

Again, I won't take you on in a debate where you rapid-fire post eight or nine messages. Keep it neat.

Have you heard of N.T. Wright? He has released a two-volume, 1,600-page set on Paul answering the questions you've posted above and more. Start there...

"Again, I won't take you on in a debate where you rapid-fire post eight or nine messages. Keep it neat."
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21-07-2015, 07:25 AM
RE: Jesus Christ, A Pointless Sacrifice
(20-07-2015 10:19 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(20-07-2015 10:03 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  It would be great if you actually read my posts--I explained how Israel of 1948 fulfilled restoration prophecies and where the Bible parses the return of a theocratic kingdom.

Then again, you have confirmatory bias.

I read your posts (although I don't know why). Your "explanation" was inadequate.
It is you who have the *need* to desperately conjure up some stupid attemped "fulllment" proofs, as your faith is very weak. There almost never was "the" Israel to restore, anyway. But you wouldn't know that as you know virtually nothing about the real ancient history of the region. All you know are the mythic tales assembled in the OT.

Granting for the sake of argument, what you mean by "prophecy", if you were to ask one of your prophet dudes IF their prediction included a secular mostly non-Jewish democracy, they would say "WTAF are you even talking about ?"

Grow up, and get real. They had NO knowledge of the future, and you know it.

So, for example, when Peter says "as in the days of Noah, once more the Earth will be shaken, and the very heavens destroyed as by fire, and the redeemed will inherit God's Kingdom" or when most each and every OT prophet talks about coming cataclysms and judgments of entire nations, and the falls of empires, they are talking about present events? Interesting. Drinking Beverage

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21-07-2015, 07:32 AM
RE: Jesus Christ, A Pointless Sacrifice
(20-07-2015 08:06 PM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  
(20-07-2015 10:08 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  Again, I won't take you on in a debate where you rapid-fire post eight or nine messages. Keep it neat.

Have you heard of N.T. Wright? He has released a two-volume, 1,600-page set on Paul answering the questions you've posted above and more. Start there...

"Have you heard of N.T. Wright? He has released a two-volume, 1,600-page set on Paul answering the questions you've posted above and more. Start there..."

Yes, I've heard of him. No, I haven't read his book. And I'm not going to either.

I did listen, carefully, to this nearly 80 minute talk by him on Paul.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkcjFHYIugY

Wright is sincere, and articulate.

Yet he, like you, is not seeing the wood for the trees. He doesn't, even once, address who Paul was, i.e. who paid him and why. He doesn't discuss where Paul may have sourced his information. He doesn't address why anyone today should think that this Paul character had any credibility. He doesn't discuss the relationship between Paul and the followers of Jesus. He doesn't mention how Paul's letters got into the Bible. He barely discusses the fact that Paul's letters are not always written by Paul, and they have all been edited and interpolated. He barely mentions the pathetic and the immoral things that Paul writes... the misogyny, the homophobia, the suppression of rational thought, and damage that this has caused the world over the centuries.

He simply assumes that these letters, which he lovingly fingers in his leather bound tome, have some inherent truth and wisdom. Wright fails to appreciate that we, modern people, have a far superior understanding of what is right and wrong and how the world works, than the over imaginative, narcissistic two-faced preacher called Paul.

This Wright character is, in fact, making a living out of spouting bullshit. The people he's talking to, who are obviously half asleep, have switched their brains off, out of habit.

I don't know as much about Paul's letters as this Wright right character does. I've got better things to do than read nonsense. Yet at least I'm honest enough to have learned something of the times in which they were written. I have also addressed the real questions about Paul's legitimacy. Wright hasn't, and neither have you.

You imagine you have a nuanced and learned understanding of the babble. Yet you are not honest and real enough to ask the big questions. That is where you need to start.

Very good. Let's start with one of your statements above:

He simply assumes that these letters, which he lovingly fingers in his leather bound tome, have some inherent truth and wisdom.

The Christian witness is a Bible witness, rather than assume the Bible is filled with wisdom, one can do observation and inductive studies to see whether Bible statements about universals are indeed universal. As I mentioned, I began very skeptical regarding Bible claims as an adult and then was converted. I applied both deductive and inductive reasoning.

Wright fails to appreciate that we, modern people, have a far superior understanding of what is right and wrong and how the world works, than the over imaginative, narcissistic two-faced preacher called Paul.

You have given many reasons why you feel Paul is off. However, a subset of your statement:

...we, modern people, have a far superior understanding of what is right and wrong...

...belies your prejudice. You feel you are wiser than the ancient sages? You feel people today are smarter and wiser (not just having access to a bigger knowledge base) than the ancients? Be careful because you may be despising your ancestors...

...also because you will often deride my views saying they are reformed views or modernist interpretations and not what early sources believed. Be consistent.

You imagine you have a nuanced and learned understanding of the babble. Yet you are not honest and real enough to ask the big questions.

Again, even the word "learned" is telling. You have a bias towards intellectuals and intellectualism as an end in itself (common enough bias among atheists, and rightly so, since most atheists are very, very intelligent). However, you then slip in a personal attack:

...you are not honest and real enough to ask the big questions...

Ayuh. That's why I come here several times a week and post to have 2-10 atheists attack everything I propose, because I can't handle tough questions, tough ideas, or have my simple faith challenged. Sure, that must be it.

I can say the same about you. How many born agains do you rapport with, really? Really listen to them and sift their ideas and discuss? From the looks of it, you only talk to academics and read academic treatises... Christianity is a practical faith dealing with the real world. You atheists constantly bring up heaven and hell more than I hear about them in church!

I'm told atheists on forums like TTA are bitter and angry. If you are not, your posts to me will be respectful, insightful and thoughtful. Prove me wrong by your adherence to decent behavior.
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21-07-2015, 08:11 AM (This post was last modified: 22-07-2015 11:27 AM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Jesus Christ, A Pointless Sacrifice
(21-07-2015 07:25 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  So, for example, when Peter says "as in the days of Noah, once more the Earth will be shaken, and the very heavens destroyed as by fire, and the redeemed will inherit God's Kingdom" or when most each and every OT prophet talks about coming cataclysms and judgments of entire nations, and the falls of empires, they are talking about present events? Interesting. Drinking Beverage

It's metaphor, you imbeclie. Ancient Near Easten literature used many literary devices. Your anal-retentive childish *need* to read then only literally exposes your ignornace of that culture, ana lack a total lack of respect and confidence for any real wisdom in that literature. If people today say "You better be prepared, large catststophes are coming" that means (as we all know) there will be earthquakes and foods, and majot disruptions. It's DOESN'T mean anyone is claiming to be predicting when they will occur or that some deity his given them special knowledge of the future. So again, you are flat out wrong.

But I get it you are into interpreting omens. Jebus no likey that shit.
Deuteronomy 18:10
"Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft,

Insufferable know-it-all.Einstein God has a plan for us. Please stop screwing it up with your prayers.
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22-07-2015, 03:22 AM (This post was last modified: 22-07-2015 04:25 AM by Mark Fulton.)
RE: Jesus Christ, A Pointless Sacrifice
(21-07-2015 07:32 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  
(20-07-2015 08:06 PM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  "Have you heard of N.T. Wright? He has released a two-volume, 1,600-page set on Paul answering the questions you've posted above and more. Start there..."

Yes, I've heard of him. No, I haven't read his book. And I'm not going to either.

I did listen, carefully, to this nearly 80 minute talk by him on Paul.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkcjFHYIugY

Wright is sincere, and articulate.

Yet he, like you, is not seeing the wood for the trees. He doesn't, even once, address who Paul was, i.e. who paid him and why. He doesn't discuss where Paul may have sourced his information. He doesn't address why anyone today should think that this Paul character had any credibility. He doesn't discuss the relationship between Paul and the followers of Jesus. He doesn't mention how Paul's letters got into the Bible. He barely discusses the fact that Paul's letters are not always written by Paul, and they have all been edited and interpolated. He barely mentions the pathetic and the immoral things that Paul writes... the misogyny, the homophobia, the suppression of rational thought, and damage that this has caused the world over the centuries.

He simply assumes that these letters, which he lovingly fingers in his leather bound tome, have some inherent truth and wisdom. Wright fails to appreciate that we, modern people, have a far superior understanding of what is right and wrong and how the world works, than the over imaginative, narcissistic two-faced preacher called Paul.

This Wright character is, in fact, making a living out of spouting bullshit. The people he's talking to, who are obviously half asleep, have switched their brains off, out of habit.

I don't know as much about Paul's letters as this Wright right character does. I've got better things to do than read nonsense. Yet at least I'm honest enough to have learned something of the times in which they were written. I have also addressed the real questions about Paul's legitimacy. Wright hasn't, and neither have you.

You imagine you have a nuanced and learned understanding of the babble. Yet you are not honest and real enough to ask the big questions. That is where you need to start.

Very good. Let's start with one of your statements above:

He simply assumes that these letters, which he lovingly fingers in his leather bound tome, have some inherent truth and wisdom.

The Christian witness is a Bible witness, rather than assume the Bible is filled with wisdom, one can do observation and inductive studies to see whether Bible statements about universals are indeed universal. As I mentioned, I began very skeptical regarding Bible claims as an adult and then was converted. I applied both deductive and inductive reasoning.

Wright fails to appreciate that we, modern people, have a far superior understanding of what is right and wrong and how the world works, than the over imaginative, narcissistic two-faced preacher called Paul.

You have given many reasons why you feel Paul is off. However, a subset of your statement:

...we, modern people, have a far superior understanding of what is right and wrong...

...belies your prejudice. You feel you are wiser than the ancient sages? You feel people today are smarter and wiser (not just having access to a bigger knowledge base) than the ancients? Be careful because you may be despising your ancestors...

...also because you will often deride my views saying they are reformed views or modernist interpretations and not what early sources believed. Be consistent.

You imagine you have a nuanced and learned understanding of the babble. Yet you are not honest and real enough to ask the big questions.

Again, even the word "learned" is telling. You have a bias towards intellectuals and intellectualism as an end in itself (common enough bias among atheists, and rightly so, since most atheists are very, very intelligent). However, you then slip in a personal attack:

...you are not honest and real enough to ask the big questions...

Ayuh. That's why I come here several times a week and post to have 2-10 atheists attack everything I propose, because I can't handle tough questions, tough ideas, or have my simple faith challenged. Sure, that must be it.

I can say the same about you. How many born agains do you rapport with, really? Really listen to them and sift their ideas and discuss? From the looks of it, you only talk to academics and read academic treatises... Christianity is a practical faith dealing with the real world. You atheists constantly bring up heaven and hell more than I hear about them in church!

"You feel you are wiser than the ancient sages? You feel people today are smarter and wiser (not just having access to a bigger knowledge base) than the ancients?"

Oh yes. Most definitely. And if Plato and Aristotle and Socrates and Pythagoras were alive today they would agree with me. And thinkers one hundred years hence will be that much better informed than me. The reason is we learn more from each other as time goes by, and what we know is currently increasing exponentially. You don't get that. You need your wise men and your gurus and your silly book to look up to. Get over it and start respecting yourself.
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22-07-2015, 03:27 AM
RE: Jesus Christ, A Pointless Sacrifice
(21-07-2015 07:32 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  
(20-07-2015 08:06 PM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  "Have you heard of N.T. Wright? He has released a two-volume, 1,600-page set on Paul answering the questions you've posted above and more. Start there..."

Yes, I've heard of him. No, I haven't read his book. And I'm not going to either.

I did listen, carefully, to this nearly 80 minute talk by him on Paul.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkcjFHYIugY

Wright is sincere, and articulate.

Yet he, like you, is not seeing the wood for the trees. He doesn't, even once, address who Paul was, i.e. who paid him and why. He doesn't discuss where Paul may have sourced his information. He doesn't address why anyone today should think that this Paul character had any credibility. He doesn't discuss the relationship between Paul and the followers of Jesus. He doesn't mention how Paul's letters got into the Bible. He barely discusses the fact that Paul's letters are not always written by Paul, and they have all been edited and interpolated. He barely mentions the pathetic and the immoral things that Paul writes... the misogyny, the homophobia, the suppression of rational thought, and damage that this has caused the world over the centuries.

He simply assumes that these letters, which he lovingly fingers in his leather bound tome, have some inherent truth and wisdom. Wright fails to appreciate that we, modern people, have a far superior understanding of what is right and wrong and how the world works, than the over imaginative, narcissistic two-faced preacher called Paul.

This Wright character is, in fact, making a living out of spouting bullshit. The people he's talking to, who are obviously half asleep, have switched their brains off, out of habit.

I don't know as much about Paul's letters as this Wright right character does. I've got better things to do than read nonsense. Yet at least I'm honest enough to have learned something of the times in which they were written. I have also addressed the real questions about Paul's legitimacy. Wright hasn't, and neither have you.

You imagine you have a nuanced and learned understanding of the babble. Yet you are not honest and real enough to ask the big questions. That is where you need to start.

Very good. Let's start with one of your statements above:

He simply assumes that these letters, which he lovingly fingers in his leather bound tome, have some inherent truth and wisdom.

The Christian witness is a Bible witness, rather than assume the Bible is filled with wisdom, one can do observation and inductive studies to see whether Bible statements about universals are indeed universal. As I mentioned, I began very skeptical regarding Bible claims as an adult and then was converted. I applied both deductive and inductive reasoning.

Wright fails to appreciate that we, modern people, have a far superior understanding of what is right and wrong and how the world works, than the over imaginative, narcissistic two-faced preacher called Paul.

You have given many reasons why you feel Paul is off. However, a subset of your statement:

...we, modern people, have a far superior understanding of what is right and wrong...

...belies your prejudice. You feel you are wiser than the ancient sages? You feel people today are smarter and wiser (not just having access to a bigger knowledge base) than the ancients? Be careful because you may be despising your ancestors...

...also because you will often deride my views saying they are reformed views or modernist interpretations and not what early sources believed. Be consistent.

You imagine you have a nuanced and learned understanding of the babble. Yet you are not honest and real enough to ask the big questions.

Again, even the word "learned" is telling. You have a bias towards intellectuals and intellectualism as an end in itself (common enough bias among atheists, and rightly so, since most atheists are very, very intelligent). However, you then slip in a personal attack:

...you are not honest and real enough to ask the big questions...

Ayuh. That's why I come here several times a week and post to have 2-10 atheists attack everything I propose, because I can't handle tough questions, tough ideas, or have my simple faith challenged. Sure, that must be it.

I can say the same about you. How many born agains do you rapport with, really? Really listen to them and sift their ideas and discuss? From the looks of it, you only talk to academics and read academic treatises... Christianity is a practical faith dealing with the real world. You atheists constantly bring up heaven and hell more than I hear about them in church!

That's why I come here several times a week and post to have 2-10 atheists attack everything I propose

Blah blah blah. You never answer questions...you avoid them.
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22-07-2015, 03:42 AM (This post was last modified: 22-07-2015 04:02 AM by Mark Fulton.)
RE: Jesus Christ, A Pointless Sacrifice
(21-07-2015 07:32 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  
(20-07-2015 08:06 PM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  "Have you heard of N.T. Wright? He has released a two-volume, 1,600-page set on Paul answering the questions you've posted above and more. Start there..."

Yes, I've heard of him. No, I haven't read his book. And I'm not going to either.

I did listen, carefully, to this nearly 80 minute talk by him on Paul.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkcjFHYIugY

Wright is sincere, and articulate.

Yet he, like you, is not seeing the wood for the trees. He doesn't, even once, address who Paul was, i.e. who paid him and why. He doesn't discuss where Paul may have sourced his information. He doesn't address why anyone today should think that this Paul character had any credibility. He doesn't discuss the relationship between Paul and the followers of Jesus. He doesn't mention how Paul's letters got into the Bible. He barely discusses the fact that Paul's letters are not always written by Paul, and they have all been edited and interpolated. He barely mentions the pathetic and the immoral things that Paul writes... the misogyny, the homophobia, the suppression of rational thought, and damage that this has caused the world over the centuries.

He simply assumes that these letters, which he lovingly fingers in his leather bound tome, have some inherent truth and wisdom. Wright fails to appreciate that we, modern people, have a far superior understanding of what is right and wrong and how the world works, than the over imaginative, narcissistic two-faced preacher called Paul.

This Wright character is, in fact, making a living out of spouting bullshit. The people he's talking to, who are obviously half asleep, have switched their brains off, out of habit.

I don't know as much about Paul's letters as this Wright right character does. I've got better things to do than read nonsense. Yet at least I'm honest enough to have learned something of the times in which they were written. I have also addressed the real questions about Paul's legitimacy. Wright hasn't, and neither have you.

You imagine you have a nuanced and learned understanding of the babble. Yet you are not honest and real enough to ask the big questions. That is where you need to start.

Very good. Let's start with one of your statements above:

He simply assumes that these letters, which he lovingly fingers in his leather bound tome, have some inherent truth and wisdom.

The Christian witness is a Bible witness, rather than assume the Bible is filled with wisdom, one can do observation and inductive studies to see whether Bible statements about universals are indeed universal. As I mentioned, I began very skeptical regarding Bible claims as an adult and then was converted. I applied both deductive and inductive reasoning.

Wright fails to appreciate that we, modern people, have a far superior understanding of what is right and wrong and how the world works, than the over imaginative, narcissistic two-faced preacher called Paul.

You have given many reasons why you feel Paul is off. However, a subset of your statement:

...we, modern people, have a far superior understanding of what is right and wrong...

...belies your prejudice. You feel you are wiser than the ancient sages? You feel people today are smarter and wiser (not just having access to a bigger knowledge base) than the ancients? Be careful because you may be despising your ancestors...

...also because you will often deride my views saying they are reformed views or modernist interpretations and not what early sources believed. Be consistent.

You imagine you have a nuanced and learned understanding of the babble. Yet you are not honest and real enough to ask the big questions.

Again, even the word "learned" is telling. You have a bias towards intellectuals and intellectualism as an end in itself (common enough bias among atheists, and rightly so, since most atheists are very, very intelligent). However, you then slip in a personal attack:

...you are not honest and real enough to ask the big questions...

Ayuh. That's why I come here several times a week and post to have 2-10 atheists attack everything I propose, because I can't handle tough questions, tough ideas, or have my simple faith challenged. Sure, that must be it.

I can say the same about you. How many born agains do you rapport with, really? Really listen to them and sift their ideas and discuss? From the looks of it, you only talk to academics and read academic treatises... Christianity is a practical faith dealing with the real world. You atheists constantly bring up heaven and hell more than I hear about them in church!

How many born agains do you rapport with, really? Really listen to them and sift their ideas and discuss?

These people that you mention, I know them, they're quite lame.... I'd like to rearrange their faces, and give them all another name.

Seriously though, I live in a rather more rational part of the world than you. The "born agains" here tend to live in communes and fund their lifestyle by ripping the government off. They don't talk to me much. Christianity is not part of the real, functional world here. It is for the pathetically deluded, the mentally unwell, the desperate down and outers, and any other missfits some local guru has taken advantage of.

Do I talk to them? Yes... I make the effort. Yet 99% of the time they are intellectually vacuous, and therefore unable to hold a quality conversation. Rather like you actually... although, some credit where it's due, you do keep coming back. What a shame you have nothing to say that adds any value to the conversation. I think you haven't disappeared because...when you come here you can escape your friends... and have some real conversations with some real people.... even if we do heap shit on you.Big Grin
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22-07-2015, 10:41 AM
RE: Jesus Christ, A Pointless Sacrifice
(21-07-2015 08:11 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(21-07-2015 07:25 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  So, for example, when Peter says "as in the days of Noah, once more the Earth will be shaken, and the very heavens destroyed as by fire, and the redeemed will inherit God's Kingdom" or when most each and every OT prophet talks about coming cataclysms and judgments of entire nations, and the falls of empires, they are talking about present events? Interesting. Drinking Beverage

It's metaphor, you imbeclie. Ancient Near Easten literature used many literary devices. Your anal-retentive childish *need* to read then only literally exposes your ignornace of that culture, ana lack a tiotaal lack of respect and confidence for any real wisdom in that literature. If people today say "You better be prepared, large catststophes are coming" that means (as we all know) there will be earthquakes and foods, and majot disruptions. It's DOESN'T mean anyone is claiming to be predicting when they will occur or that some deity his given them special knowledge of the future. So again, you are flat out wrong.

But I get it you are into interpreting omens. Jebus no likey that shit.
Deuteronomy 18:10
"Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft,

What tools are you using (other than a bias against miracles including prediction) to decide what in the Bible is metaphor and what is literal? I don't wish to argue the obvious context of Deut 18 with you, but you seem pretty sure it is literal, not metaphorical, but that several thousand prophecies are metaphors and not literal statements.

I'm told atheists on forums like TTA are bitter and angry. If you are not, your posts to me will be respectful, insightful and thoughtful. Prove me wrong by your adherence to decent behavior.
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