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27-08-2015, 03:58 PM
RE: Jesus Christ, A Pointless Sacrifice
(27-08-2015 03:30 PM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  ... I say you're a gutless wind-bag ...

Q (and most other theists in these threads) are like roofers nailing down balsa wood shingles in a high wind. No sooner is a shingle fastened than it's shorn off; much of the time the shingle splinters or is torn from the roofer's hands before he even starts to nail it.

But they are blind to all that. They have unquenchable pride in the shape and texture of each balsa shingle (a peculiar emotion by the way because they've crafted none of their shingles themselves; they've bought them all wholesale as is from the balsa shingle store), and consider the sheer act of getting one nailed down sufficient. They stand upright on a naked roof and brag about how many they've nailed down, although their work is fluttering in shards into the next county.

You can't debate someone like that. You could get up on the roof with them with your high-tech shingles a hurricane wouldn't even lift a corner of and have the roof covered impervious to water and wind in fifteen minutes and it'd be all irrelevant show to them because you weren't using the balsa shingles. To a theist, what a shingle actually does isn't the point, only that the shingle be the "right" shingle.
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27-08-2015, 06:32 PM
RE: Jesus Christ, A Pointless Sacrifice
(27-08-2015 03:58 PM)Airportkid Wrote:  
(27-08-2015 03:30 PM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  ... I say you're a gutless wind-bag ...

Q (and most other theists in these threads) are like roofers nailing down balsa wood shingles in a high wind. No sooner is a shingle fastened than it's shorn off; much of the time the shingle splinters or is torn from the roofer's hands before he even starts to nail it.

But they are blind to all that. They have unquenchable pride in the shape and texture of each balsa shingle (a peculiar emotion by the way because they've crafted none of their shingles themselves; they've bought them all wholesale as is from the balsa shingle store), and consider the sheer act of getting one nailed down sufficient. They stand upright on a naked roof and brag about how many they've nailed down, although their work is fluttering in shards into the next county.

You can't debate someone like that. You could get up on the roof with them with your high-tech shingles a hurricane wouldn't even lift a corner of and have the roof covered impervious to water and wind in fifteen minutes and it'd be all irrelevant show to them because you weren't using the balsa shingles. To a theist, what a shingle actually does isn't the point, only that the shingle be the "right" shingle.

Yep.

He won't even get on the roof with me. He's too scared he'll fall off.
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28-08-2015, 09:58 AM
RE: Jesus Christ, A Pointless Sacrifice
(27-08-2015 02:21 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(27-08-2015 07:56 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  Like most Jews, Christians and Muslims, I believe in one, not three or more gods.

I said Chas is horologically challenged.

And you are wrong.

Quote:You seem to be dictionary challenged.

And you are wrong.

Quote:How much did you have to drink when you wrote your response to me?

You are humor-challenged.

Quote:Roger Penrose may offer an alternatively theory of reality but has to overcome our classical understandings of energy, entropy and conservation to explain an infinite series of bangs or a finite series of bangs--same as you.

No. You do not understand those concepts; you are unqualified to make statements of fact in those areas, or science in general.

I know that BB has the emotional control of a child, I was unaware how much you felt you needed to defend the child. He seems very intelligent (if rather confused and misguided). Needs your help this much, does he?

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28-08-2015, 09:58 AM
RE: Jesus Christ, A Pointless Sacrifice
(27-08-2015 02:28 PM)morondog Wrote:  
(27-08-2015 01:04 PM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  You have to trust in the cross to lose your sin. You have to trust in canards and leaps of logic to become a "true" skeptic.

How the fuck would you know? Dodgy

Because my skepticism regarding atheists' claims keeps growing. Drinking Beverage

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28-08-2015, 10:00 AM
RE: Jesus Christ, A Pointless Sacrifice
(27-08-2015 02:51 PM)Free Wrote:  
(27-08-2015 01:04 PM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  I hardly am a proponent of the argument. I would rather simply point out the logical, self-defeating propositions most atheists assume, like "One cannot disprove a negative" even though the statement itself is expressed as a negative.

You have to trust in the cross to lose your sin. You have to trust in canards and leaps of logic to become a "true" skeptic.

Hi Q,

Personally, I have never had a bone to pick with you. To me, you are a typical theist whose belief system is indeed consistent with what has come down to us from the history of Christianity. You are normal in that respect.

Now in regards to "You cannot prove a negative," it is true regardless if you are a Christian, Muslim, Atheist, Agnostic, or anything. It isn't an atheistic attribute, you see. It is just the normal logical process each of all share.

The reason we cannot prove a negative is because there is nothing observable in existence to prove in regards to the existence of God. With "negative" meaning "nothing," there is nothing observable to prove. So that's why we cannot prove a negative, and why you get faced with "The burden of proof is upon he who makes the positive claim of existence."

However, since we cannot prove a negative due to the lack of any observable physical evidence of the entity in regards to God, we can however use demonstrable evidence to indicate non existence.

Would you be open to exploring this method?

I am open--I hold nothing in reserve--if you have demonstrable evidence to indicate the non-existence of God. And since I consider Jesus the highest form of God, I would even settle for demonstrable evidence of the non-deity of Jesus to be reason enough to deconvert, not for another religion, but straight to atheism.

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28-08-2015, 10:01 AM
RE: Jesus Christ, A Pointless Sacrifice
(27-08-2015 03:58 PM)Airportkid Wrote:  
(27-08-2015 03:30 PM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  ... I say you're a gutless wind-bag ...

Q (and most other theists in these threads) are like roofers nailing down balsa wood shingles in a high wind. No sooner is a shingle fastened than it's shorn off; much of the time the shingle splinters or is torn from the roofer's hands before he even starts to nail it.

But they are blind to all that. They have unquenchable pride in the shape and texture of each balsa shingle (a peculiar emotion by the way because they've crafted none of their shingles themselves; they've bought them all wholesale as is from the balsa shingle store), and consider the sheer act of getting one nailed down sufficient. They stand upright on a naked roof and brag about how many they've nailed down, although their work is fluttering in shards into the next county.

You can't debate someone like that. You could get up on the roof with them with your high-tech shingles a hurricane wouldn't even lift a corner of and have the roof covered impervious to water and wind in fifteen minutes and it'd be all irrelevant show to them because you weren't using the balsa shingles. To a theist, what a shingle actually does isn't the point, only that the shingle be the "right" shingle.

Thank you for judging me. (Not.)

The particular reason Mark et al won't debate me may be the many resolutions I've offered that they refused to accept. I shall offer another, now.

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28-08-2015, 10:08 AM
RE: Jesus Christ, A Pointless Sacrifice
(28-08-2015 10:00 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  I am open--I hold nothing in reserve--if you have demonstrable evidence to indicate the non-existence of God. And since I consider Jesus the highest form of God, I would even settle for demonstrable evidence of the non-deity of Jesus to be reason enough to deconvert, not for another religion, but straight to atheism.

You really don't seem to understand this whole "burden of proof" thing.

The question is not "why don't you believe?", but "why do you?"

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28-08-2015, 10:08 AM
RE: Jesus Christ, A Pointless Sacrifice
(27-08-2015 06:32 PM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  
(27-08-2015 03:58 PM)Airportkid Wrote:  Q (and most other theists in these threads) are like roofers nailing down balsa wood shingles in a high wind. No sooner is a shingle fastened than it's shorn off; much of the time the shingle splinters or is torn from the roofer's hands before he even starts to nail it.

But they are blind to all that. They have unquenchable pride in the shape and texture of each balsa shingle (a peculiar emotion by the way because they've crafted none of their shingles themselves; they've bought them all wholesale as is from the balsa shingle store), and consider the sheer act of getting one nailed down sufficient. They stand upright on a naked roof and brag about how many they've nailed down, although their work is fluttering in shards into the next county.

You can't debate someone like that. You could get up on the roof with them with your high-tech shingles a hurricane wouldn't even lift a corner of and have the roof covered impervious to water and wind in fifteen minutes and it'd be all irrelevant show to them because you weren't using the balsa shingles. To a theist, what a shingle actually does isn't the point, only that the shingle be the "right" shingle.

Yep.

He won't even get on the roof with me. He's too scared he'll fall off.

Debate resolution for Mark to take the affirmative position against the entirety of the entity known as Q in the Boxing Ring:

Resolved: Many children are deliriously happy, so there is no God.

Come on Mark, how about it? You are SO sure there is no God, and often cite the suffering of children as one obvious reason God cannot logically (or in your case, emotionally) exist. So be consistent. Please meet me in the Boxing Ring where you will make the affirmative case that as each and every child experiences at times (they ALL do, you know) learning, happiness, joy, wonder, etc. that each instance of children's happiness and each moment of an adult's childlike wonder at it all firmly disproves a caring, loving God. I will of course, take the negative, and bring up the many, many examples I have where happy children prove God not only exists, but loves people.

Certainly, you may add what I just added to our debate resolution, and prove over and again, how each time you and other people experience pangs of happiness and childlike wonder at life, how it is that those instances show no god can possibly ever exist.

Thanks.

PS. Spare us all your vicious, rampant, unrepentant misotheism. Don't even waste my time or that of your atheist buddies with a rant about the suffering children do. WE ALL BELIEVE YOU. WE ALL KNOW THAT SOME CHILDREN SUFFER SOME, AND SOME MUCH. Now be consistent and fully defend your ideas. HOW DOES THE GENERAL HAPPINESS OF MOST CHILDREN--HAPPIER THAN MOST ADULTS ON THE WHOLE--DISPROVE THE EXISTENCE OF A LOVING, BENEVOLENT GOD.

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28-08-2015, 10:10 AM
RE: Jesus Christ, A Pointless Sacrifice
(28-08-2015 10:08 AM)Unbeliever Wrote:  
(28-08-2015 10:00 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  I am open--I hold nothing in reserve--if you have demonstrable evidence to indicate the non-existence of God. And since I consider Jesus the highest form of God, I would even settle for demonstrable evidence of the non-deity of Jesus to be reason enough to deconvert, not for another religion, but straight to atheism.

You really don't seem to understand this whole "burden of proof" thing.

The question is not "why don't you believe?", but "why do you?"

You really don't seem to understand this whole "I'm respectfully inviting another poster to take me down the path they wish to" thing.

The question is not "why does Q believe" but "why do most people believe"?

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28-08-2015, 10:13 AM
RE: Jesus Christ, A Pointless Sacrifice
(28-08-2015 10:10 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  The question is not "why does Q believe" but "why do most people believe"?

It's really not.

It doesn't matter how many people believe something if no one among them can actually supply a rational basis for that belief. And, in any case, most people are not here. You are.

So. Why do you believe?

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